There's nothing to return to anymore.
They're not telling that to anyone either...
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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There's nothing to return to anymore.
They're not telling that to anyone either...
I imagine Richard Hatch is still hanging around outside.
I'll be interested to see if the landscape for fan works changes. You just know that every other IP owner is watching this case very carefully for how it might impact their own properties. The last major transgression I can think of was by a fan fic writer, but she didn't drag the rights-holder into court so there wasn't a huge impact on the field other than to emphasize the rule that you don't create a commercial product with someone else's IP.
Well that's the attitude of a fellow fan or a halfway decent person? Apparently you take the long way around to say I'm an idiot and I deserve to have the money donated lost because I what did not jump on this bastion of impartial wisdom and "research"
Which would have got me what stuck in 350 pages of Alec Peter Bashing?
It sucks that you and others won't get what you paid for. But, you were dealing with a Ferengi.
Which will not really impact Star Trek, only the fan-film community, which is a small niche within the broader Star Trek fan community.
I am not a fan of "fan-made-films" but nobody deserves to lose their money for innocently supporting them. Not the term "innocently." Anyone who continues to support Axanar in the face of litigation has only themselves to blame at this point.
We like the same TV show. It doesn't give you a pass because you didn't do your homework. All the crowdsource sites said CBS owns it and CBS can shut it down. The fact he's now fighting it doesn't change any of that. Sorry.
If you're donating money to support a losing case to a man who's already taken a million dollars and is already getting his attorney's fees waived with it's apparent to ev.er.y.one. that he's using that money to set up a business to taken even more money from fan film producers?
I mean, there are quicker ways to just throw money away. You could burn it. You could also donate it a crackhead because he's just fallen on hard times.
Pre-suit, no one deserved to have their money taken from them. They "deserved" to get what they paid for.
Post-suit, yeah. You deserve it.
Does not compute.
Do your research, I donated "pre suit" so no I do not deserve it
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The article from The Wrap was published five months before CBS filed suit...
http://www.thewrap.com/how-1-1-million-star-trek-fan-movie-has-escaped-studio-shutdown-so-far/
“CBS has not authorized, sanctioned or licensed this project in any way, and this has been communicated to those involved,” a representative from the network told TheWrap. “We continue to object to professional commercial ventures trading off our property rights and are considering further options to protect these rights.” (Paramount did not return TheWrap’s request for comment.)
People here were saying Axanar was going to get sued a year-plus before CBS filed suit.
Even Alec Peters said CBS could shut them down.
Then you don't deserve it. I still don't have much sympathy for you.
I'm sorry you will probably lose your money. However, certainly on the Kickstarter page, one of the risks that was listed: CBS owns Star Trek and could shut us down.
By donating, you accepted that risk. And now it's coming true. Again, I'm sorry you lost your money. That's a tough spot to be in. Hopefully, it's not money that you needed.
I would hope someone wouldn't donate money to a Star Trek fan film if they needed it. Surely Star Trek fans are smarter than that?
It's not always about being smart. Sometimes it's about that moment of escapism that we all need sometimes, more so if you're grinding away every day with barely enough to make ends meet. Someone could very well have donated money they needed because it allowed them to be a part of something they believed in, even if only for a little while, and to anticipate the joy they would experience on seeing the finished product and being able to say, "I contributed for that. I helped make that happen."
They have a big, fat lawsuit they can look at and say, "I contributed to that. I helped make that happen."
That's a bit like trying to fight a DUI charge by telling the judge, "I wasn't drinking alcohol, I was just drinking beer."
I'm sorry that you lost your money.
This thread has been as much about the legal ramifications and opinions on both sides (supporting Axanar and the extreme lengths that has taken and supporting CBS and those extremes and everything in between).
It's not all "bashing."
This is like someone spending 10 bucks a day on cigarettes but can't pay rent.
Get your priorities in order.
More like, "It wasn't DUI, it was DWI."
The average donation was what, $75? That's not spittle to most people. Why people give to such things is probably the topic of 1248 Masters theses in sociology or psychology just this year.
From my perspective, the rational point of view for a potential donor would be, "My $75 means nothing to the overall production of the film. It will get enough money without me, and I can enjoy it for free when it comes out." In other words, the person can be a free rider. But I imagine many people were giving for the same reason people fork over $35 and more to PBS during fund drives: they know any perk given back is never worth the donation, but the donor gives because it feels good to be part of something. It's an intangible good, but real to the donor. The thing about this project is no one is going to get $75 worth of "feeling good." I'm sorry for all of them.
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