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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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If the email proves out as just floundering around, that would be best I guess.

Considering the way Alec speaks to many who question his conduct, the extreme putdowns and claims of superiority and flat denial of facts that are right there on the table, I more expect some zingers.
 
carlosp said:
Most of what you suggest actually was already found in discovery during the lawsuit. The long-term plan for the studio, to form the foundation for commercial film projects, was also outlined in the Axanar annual report. It was also explicitly stated by Alec Peters in his September 2015 Chicks Who Script podcast appearance, where he stated, "The studio is the endgame." The continuing donation cycles were explicitly referred to in Axanar's Indiegogo pitch, and in their plans for further merchandise production.
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Agreed, we know he as been pretty clear in various venues that he intended to build a studio and make the film. And donors probably know both parts.

I am thinking of how the ground might change in remaining donors' minds if the underlying intention is revealed to be deceptive. The current premise I imagine remaining donors might have is "why not build a studio for someone who wants to stand for the pure (war)Trek we want". That could be undermined if emails show the righteous standing for fans and purity was for show.
 
A random thought occurred to me the other day.

Where's Heroes?

Seriously, if Axanar was wanting to be taken seriously on their talk of producing content, where is it? We know filming completed pre-lawsuit. It was intended as a vignette, so its not like editing together a 45 minute episode. I have to assume its effects-lite, or they could sub in some of the currently unused Axanar CGI that's been part of Terry's leaks if producing new CGI was a concern. If Axanar is serious about producing fan film content, is there a decent reason why its still sitting unreleased?

And as I recall, it was a stretch goal for the original Axanar Kickstarter, so it sitting in a drawer somewhere shows a clear unwillingness to full fill campaign promises from what I can see.

Also I see Axanar is pushing its upcoming "Volunteer Weekend". While it'd be nice to finally see the sets complete and painted, given Alec has stated they'll not be used for the Axanar feature, what are these fans volunteering for? Finishing sets to be rented out to other productions for money? If so (and I'm aware Alec has a history of using volunteers in his business endeavours from the Propworx days), are there not employment laws that cover this sort of thing? It seems shady to me. Obviously its different if these are volunteers helping out on an active fan film. So if these people are only helping to finish the sets, which *are* to be used in the upcoming fan film, then fair enough.
 
Reilly said:
A random thought occurred to me the other day.

Where's Heroes?

Seriously, if Axanar was wanting to be taken seriously on their talk of producing content, where is it? We know filming completed pre-lawsuit. It was intended as a vignette, so its not like editing together a 45 minute episode. I have to assume its effects-lite, or they could sub in some of the currently unused Axanar CGI that's been part of Terry's leaks if producing new CGI was a concern. If Axanar is serious about producing fan film content, is there a decent reason why its still sitting unreleased?....
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It's nowhere to be found because the creation and release of content is not the intention here, or is it the driver of AP's behavior.
 
jespah said:
It's nowhere to be found because the creation and release of content is not the intention here, or is it the driver of AP's behavior.
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Ding ding ding!

You remember that prank kids used to play with the fishing wire and the dollar bill?

That's Alec with promises and plans involving Axanar. At this point he isn't getting any money by stringing people along, but he is still getting validation, and that's enough for him.
 
Jedi_Master said:
Ding ding ding!

You remember that prank kids used to play with the fishing wire and the dollar bill?

That's Alec with promises and plans involving Axanar. At this point he isn't getting any money by stringing people along, but he is still getting validation, and that's enough for him.
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Yeah but he's still claiming he needs $200k to do a 30 minute monumentally. Don't see where that money is coming from.
 
Krandor said:
Yeah but he's still claiming he needs $200k to do a 30 minute monumentally. Don't see where that money is coming from.
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It's an artificial goal, one that he can use as an excuse to not do anything, while still taking advantage of Dean Newbury and the Atlanta Volunteer Corps to set up his for-profit business.
He's exited this entire thing, and is letting it all ride while milking the enthusiasm for as long as he can for personal validation and maybe even a little cash.
 
Jedi_Master said:
It's an artificial goal, one that he can use as an excuse to not do anything, while still taking advantage of Dean Newbury and the Atlanta Volunteer Corps to set up his for-profit business.
He's exited this entire thing, and is letting it all ride while milking the enthusiasm for as long as he can for personal validation and maybe even a little cash.
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If I had to guess, I might say the rationale that might accompany the above could be "get volunteers highly involved until they start asking to do parts of the Axanar 15 minute productions, until they start saying 'we dont really need $200k, we can do it for less', help them to bond over it as a local group, then say to them 'how would you like to actually run Axanar and just have me act and you use the sets and the facilities here, and work from my script, which you could tweak and even have some roles in, and perhaps you could even do the in-Hollywood star greenscreen work if we can recruit some talent with my help?... oh and you could even do the fundraising...' ".

This would in the end shift the whole project, even fundraising, out onto volunteers and get Alec out from under everything. In this light, "outsourcing" the future storyline would have been step 1 of a multipart plan to lift from Alec all Axanar accountability legacy to donors -- "others have picked up the torch". Moving the sets near motivated volunteers would be another strategy. The $200k goal could be a way to provoke volunteers to counter-propose and "persuade" Alec to "let" them do it.
 
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muCephi said:
This would in the end shift the whole project, even fundraising, out onto volunteers and get Alec out from under everything. In this light, "outsourcing" the future storyline would have been step 1 of a multipart plan to lift from Alec all Axanar accountability legacy to donors -- "others have picked up the torch".
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This is a cunning plan.

Probably would require somebody to mastermind it that doesn't have a history of dropping the ball and running away with his pants down, though.
 
muCephi said:
If I had to guess, I might say the rationale that might accompany the above could be "get volunteers highly involved until they start asking to do parts of the Axanar 15 minute productions, until they start saying 'we dont really need $200k, we can do it for less', help them to bond over it as a local group, then say to them 'how would you like to actually run Axanar and just have me act and you use the sets and the facilities here, and work from my script, which you could tweak and even have some roles in, and perhaps you could even do the in-Hollywood star greenscreen work if we can recruit some talent with my help?... oh and you could even do the fundraising...' ".

This would in the end shift the whole project, even fundraising, out onto volunteers and get Alec out from under everything. In this light, "outsourcing" the future storyline would have been step 1 of a multipart plan to lift from Alec all Axanar accountability legacy to donors -- "others have picked up the torch". Moving the sets near motivated volunteers would be another strategy. The $200k goal could be a way to provoke volunteers to counter-propose and "persuade" Alec to "let" them do it.
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BeatleJWOL said:
This is a cunning plan.

Probably would require somebody to mastermind it that doesn't have a history of dropping the ball and running away with his pants down, though.
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Yeah, Precious couldn't come up with a plan this complex--not on his own, anyway. He's easily distracted. :techman:
 
urbandefault said:
Yeah, Precious couldn't come up with a plan this complex--not on his own, anyway. He's easily distracted. :techman:
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Consider: You said you'd cook dinner for the guests. You picked all the snacky ingredients out of the shopping and ate them; you don't know how to cook except one really good spaghetti sauce that one time that actually you ordered from that fancy restaurant.

You haven't really started anything and its getting close to dinnertime. An early arrival guest looks at the situation and says "hey I haven't gotten to cook in ages, looks like fun, I love the menu type you bought for, how about I help?".

Your answer: "please be my guest! I can help! Would you like a beer?"
 
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Axanar: Nonprofit No More; Short Films May Take 'Years'
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Whither Axanar Productions?
Axanar’s PR director, Mike Bawden, told AxaMonitor on August 31, 2017, that Axanar CEO “Alec [Peters] said it was his intention to have Axanar Productions complete the two, approved ‘segments’ of the mock Axanar documentary series and then he would turn his focus to his own production company, Rocketworx.”
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Axanar Could 'Take Years'
Hampered by anti-crowdfunding restrictions in the settlement from the copyright lawsuit filed against Axanar by Star Trek’s owners, Bawden said, “I’m guessing it will take years to produce and eventually release the segments.”

That compares with Peters’ more optimistic but ever-changing planned due date for the two episodes. Earlier in 2017, he said in interviews that the short films would be completed in the fall. More recently, he has said end of the year and now 2018.

Peters reported on social media that he had completed a first draft of the script for the two episodes but as yet he had announced no budget nor by what means he would raise the money to produce them with an all-volunteer crew. Even while touting he added more characters than appeared in the original feature screenplay, the participation of main actors remained in doubt. Nonetheless, Bawden said:

I know Alec is moving forward with production of the mock documentary segments, but I’m not aware of any announced deadlines for various aspects of pre-production activities, casting, principal photography or post-production.

« I’m not aware of any further effort to reorganize Axanar Productions as a 501(c)(3) [nonprofit organization] at this time, so my assumption is that those actions have come to a halt. » — Mike Bawden, Axanar Spokesman
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http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=nonprofit_abandoned
 
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