I think it more plausible that this shot in the dark is prompted by another recent similar shot in the dark that ACTUALLY WORKED. All it takes is one screw up in the ownership chain and they have justification to get the case possibly dismissed for now until that broken link is fixed. But if you'd rather believe that a large successful mutli-million dollar law firm is instead following the legal strategy dictated by some sort of misguided Axanar fan illuminati then so be it. My point in mentioning it here is to fill in a possible blank as to why they initially (and unsuccessfully) persued the strategy.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I think it more plausible that this shot in the dark is prompted by another recent similar shot in the dark that ACTUALLY WORKED. All it takes is one screw up in the ownership chain and they have justification to get the case possibly dismissed for now until that broken link is fixed. But if you'd rather believe that a large successful mutli-million dollar law firm is instead following the legal strategy dictated by some sort of misguided Axanar fan illuminati then so be it. My point in mentioning it here is to fill in a possible blank as to why they initially (and unsuccessfully) persued the strategy.
For your consideration...the jokes comparing this Indiegogo with Axanar almost write themselves...but they need you pros. I may be out of the loop on this--I thought Axanar did super well--is this amount common? How much did Indiegogo make on two and a half million dollars?
Luuup Litter Box - The Best Cat Litter Box Ever
Our ingenious three sifting tray litter system is the smartest, cleanest and last litter box ever.
Luuup Inc.
Toronto, Canada
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$2,684,841 USD total funds raised
2357% funded on March 15, 2016
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/luuup-litter-box-the-best-cat-litter-box-ever#/
Luuup Litter Box - The Best Cat Litter Box Ever
Our ingenious three sifting tray litter system is the smartest, cleanest and last litter box ever.
Luuup Inc.
Toronto, Canada
About
$2,684,841 USD total funds raised
2357% funded on March 15, 2016
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/luuup-litter-box-the-best-cat-litter-box-ever#/
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It's the most ridiculous statement/idea Team Axanar come up with. In all the various forms it's been presented, it doesn't make even the tiniest bit of sense. But then, that's a large amount Team Axanar :/
I think they'd be liable either way. Even a flat fee, they're still making a profit. For use of their service it's logical and fair for providers to give a percentage. Those raising $100,000 will be using their service more regularly/efficiently than those raising $100.
I wish I had something more productive to say in regards to Axanar, but my brain has melted entirely after reading Lane's posts. He rambles more than I do.
How the blip did they raise $2.6-million on a product that's been on the market for about twenty years??? I mean, seriously, we have a set of those (under a different brand name) and paid nowhere near the $49 list price. It's not new, so if "Luuup" is claiming a patent, they either bought the rights or they're lying.
Both platforms courted Axanar; Indiegogo was the one that won out.
This is marketing. New buyers are always there for first/rebuy consumables. Can you catch their attention and sell them before their desire is balanced against moderation/just generic cheapo alternatives?
Crowdfunding pitches are often like Sharper Image or Trader Joe writeups. Selling bananas or battery chargers? Not just any ordinary product, this one is. Just different enough not to be sued, this one is. Bright and shiny, this one is. Get in first at a "discount", you will. Pure, pure marketing.
They don't have to claim a patent to say they are new or innovative. And it could be a design patent rather than a utility patent. Kitchen appliances for example often go for design patents. The look and feel is all that's different.
As for the amount... the US soup market alone is a $5.4 billion industry. Consumer disposable income as a whole even on essentials is gi-normous. A few million raised is practically down in the noise. I believe how much you get for a a blase, not innovative effort can be amplified 1000% on how well you do the pitch.
The genius of Axanar Productions is figuring out how to sell someone else's product that you'll get "after you buy us a new factory too" while pretending to qualify for a market concession offered for PR purposes by the product owner. A trifecta of working the accountability weaknesses of the crowdfunding mechanism, really.
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Ah yes, Ken White, one of the more reliable people to cry "wolf" whenever a middle-aged white man is under attack.
I have to wonder if Gerrold isn't deliberately trying to draw fire. Why he'd want to is anybody's guess, but I can't think of any other reason why he'd try to "parody" Seuss and Trek.
If I recall correctly - the introductory material released with the KS campaign indicated that the creators of the "book" KNEW there was a rather good chance that there would be a suit. If someone STILL donated to them, well, they went in eyes open and that's their fault.
Well hey - he definitely doesn't have a dog in this fight; but he may have a Lorax or a Who in it.
If this is the case, could that mean an extension to the Discovery period?
Doing a parody of one world by using nonparodied copies of elements in another world, this seems to me like an obvious writing antipattern -- no way to do it legally.
I don't understand why they would go ahead anyway.
Wasn't there a flap when Gerrold wrote Tribbles, back in the day? Something about him copying Martian Flat Cats, from a Heinlein story?
I would have though that he, being a writer / book author, would be in favor of strong copyright laws which protects the small guy as much or even more so than the big corporations. Wonder how he might feel if CBS or other studio should take one of his books / short stories and turn it into a mega-hit TV show / movie and then claim it was all "fair use" so as to not pay him any royalties????
They are supporting a charity -- the
American Society to Support Hasbeen Outdated Lazy Entiled Scifiwriters
Yes I made that up... and forced it fit an acronym.
It's transformative, so sue me.
*please don't sue me.
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