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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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In a new podcast interview, Rob Burnett speculates that CBS must have thought Axanar posed some kind of competition for Discovery, and claims he doesn't know what everyone means about Axanar building a 'for profit' studio with donor money.

Start listening around 01:24:26.
 
carlosp said:
Start listening around 01:24:26.
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No, back it up about a minute before that to 1:23:30: "We live in this world where everyone thinks that just because they want something, 'Hey I want this, can I have it?', and if they don't get it, there's something wrong with the world." He goes on to claim he "doesn't understand that at all", but isn't that exactly what they are doing with Star Trek?????
 
Jedi_Master said:
This is quite a jarring post - I blanched when I read it - and someone should be canned for allowing it to remain in the thread, especially when it comes from such a seasoned poster.
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I suspect it was put up for the season...however, it also might have been intended as a Thread "Bottle" episode. But, I agree that someone should be skinned alive for being so saucy...

...sorry, I been gone a while...
 
carlosp said:
In a new podcast interview, Rob Burnett speculates that CBS must have thought Axanar posed some kind of competition for Discovery, and claims he doesn't know what everyone means about Axanar building a 'for profit' studio with donor money.
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A couple weeks ago I was re-watching the TNG episode "The First Duty." Everyone remembers the Big Picard Speech where he figures out what the cadets were doing:

Nicholas Locarno wanted to end his Academy career in a blaze of glory... so he convinced the four of you to learn the Kolvoord Starburst for the commencement demonstration. If it worked, you'd thrill the assembled guests... and Locarno would graduate as a living legend. Except it didn't work... and Joshua Albert paid the price.
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This always makes me laugh, because wouldn't the cadets have been punished even if they had succeeded? After all, they were performing an illegal maneuver. It doesn't become less illegal just because it works.

Similarly, this seems to be the attitude over on the half-completed bridge of the USS Ares: It wouldn't have been copyright infringement if we had somehow completed the movie.
 
Sgt_G said:
No, back it up about a minute before that to 1:23:30: "We live in this world where everyone thinks that just because they want something, 'Hey I want this, can I have it?', and if they don't get it, there's something wrong with the world." He goes on to claim he "doesn't understand that at all", but isn't that exactly what they are doing with Star Trek?????
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There are three historical events mentioned in "Whom Gods Destroy."

One involves when Garth was injured and he recovers with help from the inhabitants of Antos. Something goes wrong and Garth offers to lead the Antosians to victory over the galaxy (or something to that effect). When they refuse he tries to destroy them wherein Garth's crew refuses to follow his orders and mutinies. This could be the incident that results in Garth ending up in the insane asylum on Elba II. It is also definitely post Garth's victory at Axanar.

The other event mentioned is when Spock is trying to discern between Kirk and Garth impersonating Kirk. Spock asks how a Romulan torchship was defeated at Tau Ceti (I believe). Tau Ceti isn't far from Earth, but the Romulans supposedly were not heard from for a century until they came out again in "Balance Of Terror." There is reference to a maneuver caled the Cochrane Deceleration. So is Spock referring to a more recent event post "Balnce Of Terror" or an event that happened much earlier?

The third event referenced is the Axanar Peace Mission in which Kirk took part as a "newly pledged cadet." But Kirk was a cadet about fifteen years earlier yet if you subtract TOS from that you are close to a decade before TOS.
 
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The other event mentioned is when Spock is trying to discern between Kirk and Garth impersonating Kirk. Spock asks how a Romulan torchship was defeated at Tau Ceti (I believe). Tau Ceti isn't far from Earth, but the Romulans supposedly were not heard from for a century until they came out again in "Balance Of Terror." There is reference to a maneuver called the Cochrane Deceleration. So is Spock referring to a more recent event post "Balnce Of Terror" or an event that happened much earlier?
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The exact lines are:

SPOCK: Fascinating. What maneuver did we use to defeat the Romulan vessel near Tau Ceti?
KIRK 1: Very good, Spock. The Cochrane deceleration.
KIRK 2: Spock, you know the Cochrane deceleration's a classic battle maneuver. Every Starship Captain knows that.​

There is a book called "Garth of Izar" in which Captain Garth uses the Cochrane Deceleration maneuver. But if this were true, why would Spock ask about it while attempting to figure out which Kirk was the real one? And why would he ask "what did WE use" if it were anyone other than Kirk/Spock/Enterprise?

As to the references to Axanar, here are those lines:

SPOCK: A total of fifteen incurably insane out of billions is not what I would call an excessive figure. Who is the new inmate?
CORY: Garth. Garth of Izar, a former Starship fleet Captain. (He calls up a picture on a monitor)
KIRK: When I was a cadet at the Academy, his exploits were required reading. He was one of my heroes. I'd like to see him.
CORY: Of course.
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KIRK: I agree there was a time when war was necessary, and you were our greatest warrior. I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact it's still required reading at the Academy.
GARTH: As well it should be.
KIRK: Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new fledged cadet on a peace mission.
GARTH: Peace mission! Politicians and weaklings!
KIRK: They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream. A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers.
GARTH: Mister Spock, do you consider Captain Kirk and yourself brothers?
SPOCK: Captain Kirk speaks somewhat figuratively and with undue emotion. However, what he says is logical and I do, in fact, agree with it.​

I see nothing to suggest that Kirk was at Axanar right after the Battle of Axanar. Indeed, the above suggests to me that there is quite some time, several years perhaps, between Garth's victory and the peace mission.
 
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No, back it up about a minute before that to 1:23:30: "We live in this world where everyone thinks that just because they want something, 'Hey I want this, can I have it?', and if they don't get it, there's something wrong with the world." He goes on to claim he "doesn't understand that at all", but isn't that exactly what they are doing with Star Trek?????
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Here we see Lord Alec's brainwashing on full display. Sad.
 
Sgt_G said:
No, back it up about a minute before that to 1:23:30: "We live in this world where everyone thinks that just because they want something, 'Hey I want this, can I have it?', and if they don't get it, there's something wrong with the world." He goes on to claim he "doesn't understand that at all", but isn't that exactly what they are doing with Star Trek?????
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Mytran said:
True, but if they'd spent the time completing the movie instead of selling unlicenced merchandise in the Donor Store, they probably wouldn't have drawn the eye of the CBS lawyers in the first place
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So I'm reviewing a case for a client right now and this passage struck me as possibly relevant to Axanar. This is from a personal injury case where apparently lawyers on both sides were behaving badly, causing the appeals court to weigh in with this comment:

[W]e note that plaintiff's counsel's snide denigration of [the defense expert's] professional occupation in the presence of the jury and postings by plaintiff's counsel on his own public Facebook page — which included commentary on the proceedings and the evidence and derogatory references to one of defendant's attorneys — were well outside the bounds of professional conduct to which members of our profession are expected to adhere.
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Now, of course LFIM and RMB are not members of the bar, but it goes to show that judges can be made aware of what transpires on social media--and they don't like it when the parties use Facebook, Twitter, et al., to cast aspersions on one another.
 
Might anyone know a (criminal) psychologist?? I'm sure Lord Alec would make a fascinating case study.......

(this is BS BTW, as explained in the C/P v Axanar FB group)

 
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RedForman said:
Might anyone know a (criminal) psychologist?? I'm sure Lord Alec would make a fascinating case study.......

(this is BS BTW....)

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This makes me think so much of someone surfing a wave of their own garbage, ever trying to stay just ahead of it.

Will he ever have the shame to stop roping in new uninformed people who inevitably will have their innocent enthusiasm poisoned by the history they later learn?
 
I don't care what Klausner does to him just as long as whatever it is, is enough to make him finally STFU..........:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:
 
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