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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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Woooo-eee!! I didn't think anything could live up to the dozen years of build-up, and damned if I wasn't right. ;)

Eh, it was okay. If you removed every scrap of the Axanar debacle from your mind and watched this as a follow-up to the first one it's fine. Or it fits, if you get me. The positives and negatives are basically the same as the first one for the most part.

I dunno about switching in Pat Tallman for Kate Vernon...I'd have maybe preferred a different character. It's weird that they re-cast her but worked around what they had (or didn't have) with Gary Graham, Richard Hatch, and Tony Todd rather then re-cast.

EDIT: Wait, scratch all that. I meant to say that CBS must be kicking themselves for letting this one get away. It makes them all look like utter fools who can't make Trek, and they're embarrassed now because some humble man can single-handedly make better Trek than them.
 
Will have to watch but just wanted to touch on the Singer pitch. It was JUST a pitch. Just as JMS's pitch was just a pitch. This was when Paramount was inviting multiple groups and people to pitch them the next thing prior to choosing Bad Robot and JJ's pitch.

This article from way back when deep dives into it.

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Exclusive: The True Story Behind The Bryan Singer “Pitch” of ‘Star Trek: Federation’

For years there has been talk about a Star Trek pitch made by director Bryan Singer, TrekMovie has new details.
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The D7s, the D6s, the D5s, the D4s!

How frightening?

Like Prelude before it, the effects were great. That’s all I can say nice about this.

Star Trek is best when it’s about people. This was about technology. About war. With dialogue as cringe as you can get it. Not to mention a lot of breaking of the settlement agreement that allowed it to be made (more specifically the use of actors who had appeared in Star Trek who had not appeared previously in Prelude).

Not to mention the weird camera ticks: close up on patches, on Andorian antenna, on hair. And does the camera ever stop moving?

Oh and what about the hair? Those wigs are awful. Pat Tallman and Gary Graham looked AWFUL.

The performances were fine. Of course, Peters was the worst but at least he didn’t appear that much in the show.

I’m sure this will have its fans. I continue to not be one of them.
 
That's the thing really, as with Prelude it's fundamentally an uninteresting account of a war, with Starfleet characters bragging about how tough they are.

Is this really the "true" Star Trek that fans are demanding? Maybe Stephen Miller likes it.
 
Maurice said:
One can hope this means the end of the line for this decade-plus of nonsense, but I doubt it.
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It's part one of two.

Part two is supposed to arrive "later this year," but I'm not sure what that converts to in practice. Maybe another 5-10 years?

Is it just me, or was the main credit sequence at the end a less-interesting knock-off of the Picard season 3 main titles? The same type of imagery, but it's all random computer panels instead of something meaningful about the story. Though arguably a good chunk of it seemed to be about how the Constitution class was great, so maybe that's as meaningful as it gets?
 
It's more Axanar. If it weren't for the ego-tripping and scope-creep, it would've come out ten years ago and been fine. Beauty makeup seemed worse, though the creature makeup was still pretty good (better on the Klingons than the Andorians). They resolved the big place where I thought Prelude was failing at what it was trying to do. Prelude was all "It was a brilliant maneuver," "This tactic changed everything" but never actually said or showed what the hell was going on, what these maneuvers and tactics were. Challenging a Klingon prisoner to a fight to the death for information (or offering the fight to the death as a concession) is an interesting idea that I feel like could've been much more of a meal in terms of ethics and drama than just "Ha, ha, the pretty lady killed a guy with her bare hands for fun, isn't that amusingly ironic."

I liked the references to the novels with the mention of starship hacking being a Romulan tactic, and Da'har Master Bra'tac being credited as "Thought Admiral." I was less enthusiastic about fannish over-fitting, with Daedalus-class ships being hospital ships, and hospital ships being Daedalus-class (because the hospital ship in "All Good Things" was a modern version of the Daedalus-class, don't you know, so "big ball in front" must mean "hospital ship").
 
If I'm to purge all of the behind the scenes BS from my mind and consider this as a fanfilm on it's own merit, as a fanfilm, it is decent. It absolutely should not have been 12 years in the making that is just absurd. I'm not a huge fan of continuing the documentary type format. I did enjoy seeing the legacy Trek actors, and the few others, again. Trek not reusing Captain Robau in an official production is a shame. The visuals are great. It does seem like an awful lot of war chest thumping from Starfleet officers which is, in my opinion, uncharacteristic. Starfleet goes to war and uses force as a last resort but war and the nastiness that goes along with it does tend to change people. Still, I don't know if all of these Starfleet officers would be crowing so much.
 
I have to assume that he's confident Paramount no longer cares about enforcing the the specific parts of the settlement that he's violating. That isn't a huge reach, since it's an entirely new company now, and I assume they aren't really paying attention, but it still seems like a big risk unless he has a friend on the inside who assured him Skydance didn't care.
 
UssGlenn said:
I have to assume that he's confident Paramount no longer cares about enforcing the the specific parts of the settlement that he's violating. That isn't a huge reach, since it's an entirely new company now, and I assume they aren't really paying attention, but it still seems like a big risk unless he has a friend on the inside who assured him Skydance didn't care.
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They have teams who just do this stuff, so someone will be paying attention.
 
UssGlenn said:
I have to assume that he's confident Paramount no longer cares about enforcing the the specific parts of the settlement that he's violating. That isn't a huge reach, since it's an entirely new company now, and I assume they aren't really paying attention, but it still seems like a big risk unless he has a friend on the inside who assured him Skydance didn't care.
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Forgive me for not following the lawsuit closely, but what are the highlights of his settlement violations?
 
RCAM said:
Forgive me for not following the lawsuit closely, but what are the highlights of his settlement violations?
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Professionals who have previously worked on Trek are prohibited from doing fan films. People who appeared in the first Prelude segment are Grandfathered in and are allowed to work on the rest of the project. Faran Tahir appearing in this episode is a clear violation.
 
Just watched it---and thought it was just okay. Agree with all the critiques about it though. Waited 12 years for this? The wigs were horrific.

The comments on the Youtube channel are what you'd expect. Everyone congratulating Alec and saying THIS IS STAR TREK.
 
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