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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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Axanar did reach an agreement with cbs. It’s called a court setttlement. That is all they are getting. 30 minutes in their limit.
I wasn’t talking about axanar. I was talking about temporal anomaly- a Star Trek Fan production. In cane out in January of this year has two parts part one is 26 minutes and part two was 24 minutes. In the description they make sure to let everybody know that CBS gave them a special arangement to go be on the 30 minute limit since they started this production in 2013.
I was just wondering that if the Romulan wars would be given one Since they started production well before the guidelines were placed.
 
CBS is not going to make an agreement with any unlicensed fan film: period. That would open-up a pandoras box of problems for CBS; which films do you allow and which do you enforce? The agreement with CBS is the guidelines they put-out; no grandfathering or other understanding is implied. Fan film makers can choose to follow the guidelines or if they do not; they risk enforcement by CBS. That is the agreement from CBS, nothing else regardless of when the fan-film was started matters.
Then explain this one
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Part 1 was 24 minutes and part one is 26 minutes
I would think will be pretty simple just grandfather the ones that clearly show that they were well into production before the guidelines were enacted. I don’t force it on the other ones that do not meet the criteria. Plus the only one that this fan film is violating is the time limit that’s it trust me nobody there is a professional actor
 
Yeah, IIRC the CBS said productions that started before the ruling were able to complete their story, that's why Continues wasn't stopped even though they released a handful of episodes after it happened.

Then explain this one
Part 1 was 24 minutes and part one is 26 minutes
You don't need to post it twice.
 
Yeah, IIRC the CBS said productions that started before the ruling were able to complete their story, that's why Continues wasn't stopped even though they released a handful of episodes after it happened.


You don't need to post it twice.
I did that that’s a different person was replying to me and I want to make sure they knew what I was talking about.
 
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Part 1 was 24 minutes and part one is 26 minutes
I would think will be pretty simple just grandfather the ones that clearly show that they were well into production before the guidelines were enacted. I don’t force it on the other ones that do not meet the criteria. Plus the only one that this fan film is violating is the time limit that’s it trust me nobody there is a professional actor

CBS has mostly been hands off with productions that started before the guidelines BUT there is no blanket grandfather clause. Any fan film that doesn't adhere to the guidelines could be sued. CBS has just decided not to do that to some of the ones started beforehand. Nobody though has a deal with CBS. The only CBS "deal" is the Axanar settlement where they do get to ignore a few of the guidelines.
 
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I will definitely remember that for next time. Thank you
CBS has mostly been hands off with productions that started before the guidelines BUT there is no blanket grandfather clause. Any fan film that doesn't adhere to the guidelines could be sued. CBS has just decided not to do that to some of the ones started beforehand. Nobody though has a deal with CBS. The only CBS "deal" is the Axanar settlement where they do get to ignore a few of the guidelines.
So they’re cutting people some slack even though they don’t have to. That’s pretty nice for a corporation. why did they settle with axanar? CBS is a multibillion-dollar corporation I doubt very much that legal team would not be able to handle the situation.
 
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To be honest I’m not exactly that crazy for fan films ( I don’t mind reading books.) [/QUOTE]
This is the second time you've mentioned the books, but the books really can't be compared to the fan films. The professionally published novels are all officially licensed, and each one is approved and overseen by people from CBS, usually John Van Citters, I believe, and in the case of the novels, are published by Gallery Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, which is in turn owned by CBS. There a few non-novels published by other companies, but the legitimate ones are all licensed by CBS. As long as it has the CBS and/or Paramount logo on the back, and includes CBS and/or Paramount in the copyright page it's done the same way as the novels.
 
[QUOTE="Gabriel, post: 13052938, member: 77139"
To be honest I’m not exactly that crazy for fan films ( I don’t mind reading books.)
This is the second time you've mentioned the books, but the books really can't be compared to the fan films. The professionally published novels are all officially licensed, and each one is approved and overseen by people from CBS, usually John Van Citters, I believe, and in the case of the novels, are published by Gallery Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, which is in turn owned by CBS. There a few non-novels published by other companies, but the legitimate ones are all licensed by CBS. As long as it has the CBS and/or Paramount logo on the back, and includes CBS and/or Paramount in the copyright page it's done the same way as the novels.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t comparing ours just saying I would rather read A license book than a fan film. Although the fan films are not looked over by CBS they usually don’t stray that very much from CBS is code of ethics or what ever they use to decide what goes in there stuff and are usually in line with the Star Trek universe. No sure they probably cus a little bit more but I doubt that really matters considering discovery said the F word.
 
And I was going to edit to make a very clear that I find all this to be the Axanar guys fault that if he have not tried to make money off of this (which I find wrong because I do agree with you it’s not theirs. Although I never said it was) we would not have these guidelines.
Alec isn't some sort of apocalyptic special snowflake. Where there's money, there's always going to be grift, and where there's notoriety, there will always be people seeking attention. There may not have specifically been "guidelines" if Alec hadn't existed, but there would have inevitably been a crackdown equally as extreme. It would have simply taken another form.

The executives at CBS are adults running a large corporation employing thousands of people, and they're responsible for their own actions and policies. They were not in any way compelled to publish those Guidelines. The Devil didn't make them do it.

If you think the Guidelines are perfectly reasonable, you're entitled to that opinion. I may not agree, but I can respect an honest opinion. But if you're making excuses for CBS because you don't expect any better from them than you do from Alec, then I pity you.
What’s wrong with 30 minutes?
The original run of Doctor Who was split into 25-minute episodes. There were 694 episodes in total. Of those, only one was a single-part story, and it featured neither the Doctor nor his companions. It didn't even feature the TARDIS. If 30 minutes is such a great period of time to tell a story in, why have they only done so once in a show that ran a quarter of a century?

And remember, you can't do continuing stories over multiple films. "[...]no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes."
My point is what would be the point of a 2 hour limit that YOU suggested when no movie has gone over 2 hours? That is a useless limit.
With the limitations on the funds you can raise, even a 15-minute film has far fewer dollars/minute than any Star Trek series or film. So fan films will self-limit their lengths to no greater than movie length anyway, or else they just run out of money before they're ever completed. We don't actually need an upper limit.
The issue is: There IS a way to legally create Star trek content and get in on the game - GET A LICENSE FROM CBS.
Has anyone ever successfully done this in the history of the franchise? Lot's of things are technically possible that will never actually happen in reality, no matter how hard you try.
i developed an intense hatred for the "let me be clear" opener, followed by some murky wall of text or not.
Let me be clear: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
 
Then explain this one
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Part 1 was 24 minutes and part one is 26 minutes
I would think will be pretty simple just grandfather the ones that clearly show that they were well into production before the guidelines were enacted. I don’t force it on the other ones that do not meet the criteria. Plus the only one that this fan film is violating is the time limit that’s it trust me nobody there is a professional actor
Violating the guidelines does not mean enforcement WILL be taken; it simply means that it MAY be taken. The only thing CBS has said for certain is that fan films that follow the guidelines will NOT face enforcement action. Regarding "Continues" finishing-up; the word from CBS was "finish your series quickly" which is why the last few episodes were rushed and several episodes cut completely and "Continues" had a very good relationship with CBS. I'm pretty sure that CBS in no case would allow a series to be in production several years after the guidelines were issued just because someone says they were in pre-production prior to the guidelines being issued. I know "Continues" had to do it in a very short time (I think less than a year). At this point any fan film not following the guidelines is opening up themselves for enforcement action from CBS legal.
 
Alec isn't some sort of apocalyptic special snowflake. Where there's money, there's always going to be grift, and where there's notoriety, there will always be people seeking attention. There may not have specifically been "guidelines" if Alec hadn't existed, but there would have inevitably been a crackdown equally as extreme. It would have simply taken another form.

The executives at CBS are adults running a large corporation employing thousands of people, and they're responsible for their own actions and policies. They were not in any way compelled to publish those Guidelines. The Devil didn't make them do it.

If you think the Guidelines are perfectly reasonable, you're entitled to that opinion. I may not agree, but I can respect an honest opinion. But if you're making excuses for CBS because you don't expect any better from them than you do from Alec, then I pity you.

The original run of Doctor Who was split into 25-minute episodes. There were 694 episodes in total. Of those, only one was a single-part story, and it featured neither the Doctor nor his companions. It didn't even feature the TARDIS. If 30 minutes is such a great period of time to tell a story in, why have they only done so once in a show that ran a quarter of a century?

And remember, you can't do continuing stories over multiple films. "[...]no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes."

With the limitations on the funds you can raise, even a 15-minute film has far fewer dollars/minute than any Star Trek series or film. So fan films will self-limit their lengths to no greater than movie length anyway, or else they just run out of money before they're ever completed. We don't actually need an upper limit.

Has anyone ever successfully done this in the history of the franchise? Lot's of things are technically possible that will never actually happen in reality, no matter how hard you try.

Let me be clear: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

How many episodes of Friends were there? MASH? Atlanta? Better Things?

Most of those tell multiple stories in 30 minutes.

How many 3 Stooges shorts? They told stories in 15 minutes.

How many stories did Pixar and Warner Brothers tell in 7?

How many shorts have been nominated for Academy awards?

Time limits are what they are. It’s not a burden on imagination.
 
But if you're making excuses for CBS because you don't expect any better from them than you do from Alec, then I pity you.
I am the last person to make excuses for CBS.
Frankly I find these guidelines a little harsh. I can see why CBS did it. I mean they do own Star Trek they should be only ones making money off of it. However I think they drop too big of a hammer. Because you’re in a fact most fan films were not making any money. Fact I think one like refuse to.
Friends were there? MASH? Atlanta? Better Things?
Except those are all series not a standalone 30 minutes. Remember it’s 30 minutes. no sequels.
Friends in reality was one single story told during 10 years. The stories were not standalone they all were connected. Same thing with mash and the other ones.
Not trying to argue here just stating the facts.
And yes I know several shorts have won awards.
 
I am the last person to make excuses for CBS.
Frankly I find these guidelines a little harsh. I can see why CBS did it. I mean they do own Star Trek they should be only ones making money off of it. However I think they drop too big of a hammer. Because you’re in a fact most fan films were not making any money. Fact I think one like refuse to.

Except those are all series not a standalone 30 minutes. Remember it’s 30 minutes. no sequels.
Friends in reality was one single story told during 10 years. The stories were not standalone they all were connected. Same thing with mash and the other ones.
Not trying to argue here just stating the facts.
And yes I know several shorts have won awards.

They really weren’t one story told over 10 years. They weren’t connected, for the most part, like episodic. That’s why you could start almost at any point without having seen any of it. That’s why they were called episodic and not serialized shows.

Opinion can often be confused for facts.
 
Same thing with mash and the other ones.
Except, it wasn't. M*A*S*H was incredibly episodic. The only reason it seems serialized is because of the necessity of cast changes and the fact the show, and thus the war, had to end sometime. Was there ever any kind of actual story arc lasting more than 2 episodes?

Also, all 30-minute sitcoms these days are actually telling their stories in 19-20 minutes due to the commercial time, and all of those seem to be able to tell one-off stories without any problems.
 
How many episodes of Friends were there? MASH? Atlanta? Better Things?

Most of those tell multiple stories in 30 minutes.

How many 3 Stooges shorts? They told stories in 15 minutes.

How many stories did Pixar and Warner Brothers tell in 7?

How many shorts have been nominated for Academy awards?

Time limits are what they are. It’s not a burden on imagination.
You ignore the fact that those aren't science fiction series. In fact, all your examples are comedies/sitcoms. I suspect most of the examples you might want to cite are either sitcoms or kid's shows.

Now, let's look at what two science fiction series similar to those of the Star Trek franchise and see what conclusion they came to.

Let's start with an actual Star Trek series: Discovery. It's being streamed over All Access, so there are no minimum or maximum limits on the length of the episodes. Yet the episodes average around 44 minutes, the length of a typical 60-minute TV show minus the commercials.

Another example is the Orville. Seth MacFarlane's IMDB page is littered with producer's credits for 30-minute TV series. And yet, when he creates a show in the same vein as Star Trek, he goes for a 60-minute format.

What else do these two series have in common? Multi-episode story and character arcs. In fact, non-episodic dramatic series are currently in vogue. Interesting...
 
You ignore the fact that those aren't science fiction series. In fact, all your examples are comedies/sitcoms. I suspect most of the examples you might want to cite are either sitcoms or kid's shows.
Doesn't matter. A story is a story is a story. If you're a writer that's at all worth a damn, you can work within the confines you're given. There's no basic story premise that you can pitch that can't be told in any genre or in a condensed & efficient manner.
 
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