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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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No one said he didn't. You're changing the subject now.
Why bring up that particular subject at all? What do the shortcomings of typical fan films have to do with the focus of this thread, which is a guy who promises the moon but can't even deliver one of those typical fan films?
 
"Negative. Negative. It didn't go in. Just impacted on the surface."
Cool, Is that the new Axanar Movie. BattleStar Aries?
Did you know JEDI is an acronym for Juno Electronic Detection Instrument?
Nasa took it from Star Wars
 
Why bring up that particular subject at all? What do the shortcomings of typical fan films have to do with the focus of this thread, which is a guy who promises the moon but can't even deliver one of those typical fan films?
@Maurice didn't bring it up.

Evidently to draw a distinction between Peters and Trek fan film creators, @dmac said:

"Peters was never a Trek fan film creator, at best he mimicked already created material and did it poorly. "​

In reply and with a disclaimer that he was not defending Peters, @Maurice simply opined that

"... many fanfilms merely mimic already created material, and do it poorly."​

... which is a perfectly reasonable position, and one that I happen to agree with.


And while we're having a wake up and smell the coffee moment, Peters was a Trek fan film creator, unless you think Prelude somehow doesn't exist. Just because he's in the set of people who made a Star Trek fan film, that doesn't excuse his bad behavior.

If you want to be a Star Trek fan film creator you don't simply revisit some TOS plot and re tell it. You create something that Gene might have but didn't. The Tressaurian Intersection for one.
Well, The Savage Empire was the first Exeter episode. But, yes, at least to the point regarding Trek fan films: The Tressaurian Intersection is in a class with few peers indeed.
 
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I guess that comes down to personal standards then.
To sit down and write in the TOS universe, you're are not the creator of anything. Gene Roddenberry and crew are the creators of the Star trek elements that make up a story. Most of them at least.
The rest is personal satisfaction. If you watch The Wolf in the Fold then write and produce your own version of Red Jack, that's probably a good place start your fan film hobby. As you grow and hone your craft, more and more story elements become created in your own mind. There is a personal satisfaction in pulling that off but that's all it is. You still can't stake a claim in the Star Trek universe and use the Star Trek brand to raise a million plus dollars.
I did one with a Klingon God, thought I pulled it off until someone pointed out, " That's the Klingon version of Q"
That left me thinking, how could I fail that miserably and end up with Q?
I guess what is written in Star Trek Stays in Star Trek.
 
@Maurice didn't bring it up.

Evidently to draw a distinction between Peters and Trek fan film creators, @dmac said:

"Peters was never a Trek fan film creator, at best he mimicked already created material and did it poorly. "​

In reply and with a disclaimer that he was not defending Peters, @Maurice simply opined that

"... many fanfilms merely mimic already created material, and do it poorly."​

... which is a perfectly reasonable position, and one that I happen to agree with.
Okay. All caught up. Thank you.
 
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I think this is the correct link. The one in your post goes to article on student films.
 
I guess that comes down to personal standards then.
To sit down and write in the TOS universe, you're are not the creator of anything. Gene Roddenberry and crew are the creators of the Star trek elements that make up a story. Most of them at least.
The rest is personal satisfaction. If you watch The Wolf in the Fold then write and produce your own version of Red Jack, that's probably a good place start your fan film hobby. As you grow and hone your craft, more and more story elements become created in your own mind. There is a personal satisfaction in pulling that off but that's all it is. You still can't stake a claim in the Star Trek universe and use the Star Trek brand to raise a million plus dollars.
I did one with a Klingon God, thought I pulled it off until someone pointed out, " That's the Klingon version of Q"
That left me thinking, how could I fail that miserably and end up with Q?
I guess what is written in Star Trek Stays in Star Trek.
The operative word for this post is "rambling".
 
To sit down and write in the TOS universe, you're are not the creator of anything.
Of course you are. You're the creator of an unauthorized derivative work of Star Trek. This is like saying that the author of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies didn't create something. Or the writer of any work based on Shakespeare, for that matter. The only difference is whether or not the work can be legally copyrighted and distributed. The writers of licensed Star Trek novels are not "uncreative" because they wrote books based on Star Trek. You're confusing legitimacy with creativity. That's not to excuse those who violate copyright law. People are still accountable to the law. However, you shouldn't redefine terms like "creator" just because you don't like how a certain segment of fandom conduct themselves.
As you grow and hone your craft, more and more story elements become created in your own mind. There is a personal satisfaction in pulling that off but that's all it is. You still can't stake a claim in the Star Trek universe and use the Star Trek brand to raise a million plus dollars.
Fair enough. I don't think there's anyone left who's arguing to the contrary, though.
 
Indeed it does........
http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=p...rzbj_clvidwCwso9gKqaLGOBqxWkfmOXU9AgAcmPvr6Zc

With his lawsuit stalled, and his lawyer refusing to respond to correspondence from a defense lawyer, Axanar producer Alec Peters flew into a rage April 29, 2019, when Robert Meyer Burnett’s attorney took an unusual tack to push for a settlement in the case..........

Peters better hope this doesn’t go to trial. He’d be a disaster on the witness stand.
 
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