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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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They are claiming copyright.
Slow Lane says they're not claiming copyright (which, if I remember correctly, AP is prohibited to do under the terms of The Settlement), but unlawful use of likeness. It looks like SL is trying to backpedal on AP's statement that he's 'giving Axanar to the fans'.

By the way ...

Lord Poopy Pants said:
Finishing Axanar and delivering all the perks to our backers is our top priority moving forward. The production company that we set up to produce Axanar – Axanar Productions – is focused solely on these two goals.

Once this has been accomplished, Axanar Productions will close down, having finished its mission. Any other work Rob, Diana or I do will be outside the purview of Axanar Productions.

... was posted on May 22, 2017. Way to keep the eyes on the prize, Alex! :techman:
 
Slow Lane says they're not claiming copyright (which, if I remember correctly, AP is prohibited to do under the terms of The Settlement), but unlawful use of likeness. It looks like SL is trying to backpedal on AP's statement that he's 'giving Axanar to the fans'.

By the way ...



... was posted on May 22, 2017. Way to keep the eyes on the prize, Alex! :techman:
Actually, Peters made the claim (I'm looking for the comment). Slow Lane is the HuckaSanders of Axanar and he is just trying to organize chaos.
 
Ooh, is that a slight rumble of progress I hear? Eh, no!

By the way...

That's me in 2010, on a particular Friday night in Hollywood with a real life gangster, an Area 51 'grey' alien and a couple Star Trek fan girls in a hotel room... Long story ;)

..this case was addended to the case of "Human Abductees vs The Vree" on-board station Babylon 5, and finally resolved in 2258!;)
 
A bit about unlawful use of likeness:
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another

Here are the deets. The biggest issue is with advertising. You take my picture and don't compensate me or get my permission, and you use it to sell pies, then I've got a case. But for other stuff? Not so fast.

That article said:
A plaintiff must establish three elements to hold someone liable for unlawful use of name or likeness:

1. Use of a Protected Attribute: The plaintiff must show that the defendant used an aspect of his or her identity that is protected by the law. This ordinarily means a plaintiff's name or likeness, but the law protects certain other personal attributes as well.
2. For an Exploitative Purpose: The plaintiff must show that the defendant used his name, likeness, or other personal attributes for commercial or other exploitative purposes. Use of someone's name or likeness for news reporting and other expressive purposes is not exploitative, so long as there is a reasonable relationship between the use of the plaintiff's identity and a matter of legitimate public interest.
3. No Consent: The plaintiff must establish that he or she did not give permission for the offending use.
So what I am looking at is #2. Reporting is carved out as a rather specific exception.

In addition, when #2 isn't for a commercial purpose, the issue is generally for a negative purpose (but that's not as broad as it might sound). E. g. a professor created a bunch of email addresses with the parts of names of people he didn't like at his college. He then applied for jobs for those people, elsewhere, and thoughtfully added links to his own site where he wrote nasty things about those folks.

There's nothing in here about parody or satire. We have all seen/heard any number of bits of art where a real face or voice was used for satirical purposes. Or a reasonable facsimile thereof, such as in Genesis's Land of Confusion video:

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While I don't know for certain, I suspect the Reagans didn't give their consent for their likenesses to be in that video. Neither did (most likely) Princess Di, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Mick Jagger, Margaret Thatcher, or Muammar Gaddafi. There are other famous likenesses in that video, but those were the ones I spotted quickly in one viewing.

Would "open source Axanar" (a phrase AP himself has used) be allowable as satire or parody, perhaps both (see attached - the pronouncement was made on May 22, 2017)? BTW that blog post is on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/2017060...arproductions.com/captains-log-may-22nd-2017/

Would the use of likenesses be protected, so long as it was not for commercial gain? I'd say I think it would be. AP himself has done a dance when it comes to being a "public figure", using that terminology and similar as, it seems, it suits him. Yet that's not how it works. If he's a public figure, then he's pretty ripe for satire, parody, and reportage, notwithstanding whether he approves of his likeness being used. He's also ripe for criticism (truth is, we all are) and status as a "public figure" means any defamation claims are a much steeper climb than for the hoi polloi.

I would argue that he is a public figure, given all of the articles that have been written about him and Axanar (and Axanar is him). He also has courted publicity, given talks at several conventions, and often made a showing of his connections in the industry. All of these scream "public figure".

If "Open Source Axanar", an idea he claims to condone, doesn't seek to make a profit, then he's not going to have much of a leg to stand on. He courted publicity. His complaining now that not all of that publicity is favorable, is just kinda tough. Artists -- real artists -- put their work out there for judgment all the time. And these days judgment also often means remixing.

Open Source (according to the Open Source Initiative, although they are framing it in terms of open source software, the original use for that term), means "The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

Rationale: The major intention of this clause is to prohibit license traps that prevent open source from being used commercially. We want commercial users to join our community, not feel excluded from it."
https://opensource.org/osd-annotated

Open Source is open source for everyone, and for every single purpose and slant. Not just for adulation.
 

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Here's the AP claim of copyright.
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A bit about unlawful use of likeness:
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/using-name-or-likeness-another

Here are the deets. The biggest issue is with advertising. You take my picture and don't compensate me or get my permission, and you use it to sell pies, then I've got a case. But for other stuff? Not so fast.


So what I am looking at is #2. Reporting is carved out as a rather specific exception.

In addition, when #2 isn't for a commercial purpose, the issue is generally for a negative purpose (but that's not as broad as it might sound). E. g. a professor created a bunch of email addresses with the parts of names of people he didn't like at his college. He then applied for jobs for those people, elsewhere, and thoughtfully added links to his own site where he wrote nasty things about those folks.

There's nothing in here about parody or satire. We have all seen/heard any number of bits of art where a real face or voice was used for satirical purposes. Or a reasonable facsimile thereof, such as in Genesis's Land of Confusion video:

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While I don't know for certain, I suspect the Reagans didn't give their consent for their likenesses to be in that video. Neither did (most likely) Princess Di, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Mick Jagger, Margaret Thatcher, or Muammar Gaddafi. There are other famous likenesses in that video, but those were the ones I spotted quickly in one viewing.

Would "open source Axanar" (a phrase AP himself has used) be allowable as satire or parody, perhaps both (see attached - the pronouncement was made on May 22, 2017)? BTW that blog post is on the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/2017060...arproductions.com/captains-log-may-22nd-2017/

Would the use of likenesses be protected, so long as it was not for commercial gain? I'd say I think it would be. AP himself has done a dance when it comes to being a "public figure", using that terminology and similar as, it seems, it suits him. Yet that's not how it works. If he's a public figure, then he's pretty ripe for satire, parody, and reportage, notwithstanding whether he approves of his likeness being used. He's also ripe for criticism (truth is, we all are) and status as a "public figure" means any defamation claims are a much steeper climb than for the hoi polloi.

I would argue that he is a public figure, given all of the articles that have been written about him and Axanar (and Axanar is him). He also has courted publicity, given talks at several conventions, and often made a showing of his connections in the industry. All of these scream "public figure".

If "Open Source Axanar", an idea he claims to condone, doesn't seek to make a profit, then he's not going to have much of a leg to stand on. He courted publicity. His complaining now that not all of that publicity is favorable, is just kinda tough. Artists -- real artists -- put their work out there for judgment all the time. And these days judgment also often means remixing.

Open Source (according to the Open Source Initiative, although they are framing it in terms of open source software, the original use for that term), means "The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

Rationale: The major intention of this clause is to prohibit license traps that prevent open source from being used commercially. We want commercial users to join our community, not feel excluded from it."
https://opensource.org/osd-annotated

Open Source is open source for everyone, and for every single purpose and slant. Not just for adulation.

Madame Chief Justice, you are my hero. Let us celebrate with pie and circuses. :techman:

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Here's the AP claim of copyright.
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Who will be the first to notify CBS/Paramount that The Little Prince is violating The Settlement? :D
 
Madame Chief Justice, you are my hero. Let us celebrate with pie and circuses. :techman:

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Who will be the first to notify CBS/Paramount that The Little Prince is violating The Settlement? :D
Aw, thanks! And more Welles (kinda)!
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Yeppers. Bow and scrape and maybe we'll allow it.

Want to call yourself an artist, even 1% of the time? Then take criticism like a grownup, like the rest of us do. I'll never tell you that I'm the greatest writer in the history of whatever. Criticize all you like. Please don't call me names or treat me like dirt because after all I am a person with feelings. But if you tell me I need to improve, that my ideas are weird or unoriginal or unappealing, go for it. That's how I learn. I'll never stop anyone from doing that.
 
FanFilmFactor has this piece on a parody of Prelude:
https://fanfilmfactor.com/2018/05/26/whats-wrong-with-making-a-mockery-of-axanar-editorial/

Is it the same as the Open Source film mentioned above?
I posted to the comments section:

My question: Why does Alec Peters and AXANAR have a DOUBLE standard?

IE - It's okay for Alex and Co. to make use of anything copywritten by CBS/Paramount - even AFTER they swettled with CBS/Paramount - accepting terms the Mr. peters previously stated he would never accept and would take his case all the way to the Supreme Court...

Yet, when others take his group's work and Parody it - they are now subject to DMCA and Copyright claims frpm Alec Peters...
^^^
Oh, and isn't that a Settlement violation in itself in that part of the CBS/Paramount Settlement was that Peters and Co. wouldn't and COULDN'T claim copyright for ANYTHING AXANAR?

It's amazing how when Mr. Peters is on the receiving end, he cries like an 8 year old?

Of course I doubt Lane will approve it so it's visible.
 
In the latest Axanar Drama News, Peters and his merry band are all up in arms about a filmmaker who is using Open-Source Axanar as a way to make a behind the scenes movie about Axanar. They are claiming copyright. For all of those who don't know what Open-Source Axanar is, Peters made the announcement last year that he wanted Axanar to be available to all fans. By fans, he must of meant sycophants.


I'm not sure what's more idiotic - the fact someone wants to take a BTS look at this whole charlie foxtrot (the world doesn't need that - they can just go look at the previous thread and follow all the leads from there), or that LFIM is screaming 'copyright' about it...........(oh how I wish he was the one who got arrested recently.....)
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This whole Axanar parody video thing is so hypocritical it's almost hard to find it funny. I'm assuming if they actually tried to take the guy who made the video to court over this the judge would just laugh in their faces?
 
Aw, thanks! And more Welles (kinda)!
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I love Maurice LaMarche. Been a fan since the 80s.

Here's a Pinky and the Brain take on a legendary Welles session:

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