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I didn't say otherwise. It wasn't meant as a disparaging comment. All Star Trek fans matter equally regardless age.I like to think us older fans still count as "people whose actually like STAR TREK." We're not all dead yet.
And, trust me, we still rewatch TOS with great pleasure.
I'm pointing out as a matter of probable fact that you won't find many ST fans under 50 who's favorite Trek series is TOS. That puts things into perspective about which show is the most popular today in terms of viewership. I think the makers of Trek today underestimate this.
I'm under 50 and nothing even comes close to TOS for me. My buddies and I all went to th Star Trek Set Tour with Shatner and every single one is in the same boat. In fact, most of them are ONLY TOS fans. Unlike me, they don't even care about the other stuff (maybe a passing interest in TNG, and they all universally like DSC, but certainly nothing else)
I think it's dangerous to make assumptions here based on your own bias and experiences. It's clear that TOS is more marketable and popular than the other series. Otherwise, they would not have made the JJverse films nor would they have gone out of their way to market DSC as tied in with TOS.
There's a reason they didn't market DSC to be post-Nemesis. It's because nobody would give a shit about the tag line "Set 10 years after Janeway and Neelix!!"
I knew someone was going to respond with this comment.
I agree that TOS is more recognizable and iconic. I don't think anyone is disputing that. As far as popularity goes it depends on how you want to define it. TNG probably has more viewership, the characters and iconography of TOS is more known.
You tell me not to base assumptions on personal experience, then you give me an anecdotal story about your personal experience.
By this logic then TNG should have never been made. Berman era Trek added a lot to the franchise. Just because they linked STD to TOS doesn't mean they were right to do it.
I get what you're saying though. I'm not asking for a TNG reboot or anything. The reason I bring this up is because I think the makers of Trek don't account for how many Trek fans are fans of the Berman era. It doesn't mean they should reboot or reference that era more. For me it just means that a lot of us don't care about linking the new show to TOS.
I guess it's just my month for crossing paths with over sensitive newbies.Calm down. No one has not allowed you to "make my comments" in the forum, have they? All I'm saying is that you used an obviously limited number of posts from which to draw a general conclusion. That usually leads to faulty conclusions. What statistics, it's common sense.
BTW, if you make a statement on this site, any statement about anything, be ready to have that statement questioned or even "attacked", especially if the statement is perceived to be inaccurate. Over sensitivity can be a liability here.
Actually before streaming their was lots of older shows and movies fans liked simply because of a lack of options of quality new stuff on tv. That's why even though I am a 80's kid I feel like I have seen just about every tv show from the 50's to those 80's. We had to watch even the garbage back then. We had no other options.
I think you will find the demographic for TOS is somewhat younger than you might think. It wasn't until those blasted millenials and their dvd's and tivo's and HBO and Netflix came along and runied themselves the ability to enjoy something like "Perfect Strangers" or the "Doby GIllis Show" which was edgy stuff. They had a beatnick on it. No "Dragnet" where you can watch Jack Webb harrang hippies. How about "Green Acres" where half of the jokes were house not finished or pig related. Jason
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Waay under 50, and TOS is my favourite Trek show. Though to be fair, TOS was kinda' the very first television show I actively watched, and it was afternoon re-runs in the 90s...
I think TOS is the much more well known porperty of Star Trek outside the fandom. But in a Sherlock Holmes/Three Musketeers kind of way - Everybody knows the basics through pop-cultural osmoses, but barely anyone has actually watched (or read) the originals.
That's why even the JJ Abrams reboot oftentimes was more inspred by the Trek parodies (Kirk being a douche-bro sleeping around with green women) instead of the actual original (Kirk was a pretty by-the-books nerdy guy, before the TOS movies reimagined him as the most tame rebellious guy). That's simply the version popculture mainstream now know. Like Sherlock Holmes having a deerstalker hat.
TNG on the other hand is the most well known Trek property fans have actually watched. That means, currently, TNG is probably the best known Trek property. But that includes all people that kinda' watched Trek in the 90's, and then stopped and never bothered with the spin-offs. Also: This is limited to people that actually have WATCHED some version of Star Trek. Meaning a very limited audience.
DS9 OTOH oftentimes seems to be the most popular among the hardcore Trek fandom. Aka online boards, and producer interviews. That's IMO because it's the odd one out: If you like "regular" Trek, episodic adventures on a starship and all, literally any of the other Trek series could be your favourite. Depending on which one you watched first. I'm very fond of Voyager. Simply because it was the "new" Trek show that came out when I got into Trek. DS9 is very different though, with a darker tones, and more "human" themes (mostly war), than the more sci-fi plots of other series. Will be interesting to see how DIS will change that dynamic, since it's probably closer related to DS9 than any other Trek series before. That being said, the fandom of DS9 in the "real world" - is tiny. It's just the largest sub-set of the really hardcore Trek fanbase.
So that's it, that's how I think it is: TOS the most well known and associated with "Star Trek" in the mainstream, but solely via memes and references, not by actually having seen it. TNG the most popular actually seen one, and DS9 the contrarian hipster choice, the secret favourite on online forums.
Just to be clear guys, I wasn't so much denying the possibility that TOS might be the most popular Trek as I was saying there are no identifiable objectifiable metrics other than sheer pop culture visibility to identify it as such. And honestly, pop culture visibility is a shitty method of judging popularity. Lots of people could recognize pictures of The Beatles without actually knowing more than a few songs, and lots of people who know Beatles songs don't actually enjoy them and wouldn't listen to them unless they happened to come on in the background or something.
Speaking personally, TOS is a distant third for me after DS9 and TNG. At 39, I'm old enough that I actually watched a bit of TOS as a child before TNG ever even came out. There is a lot I appreciate about TOS - most notably that it was by far the Trek with the strongest connection to "real science fiction," it was probably the most issue-focused Trek, and of course it set the stage for what was to come. The cheesy visuals don't bother me in the slightest - in fact it adds to the appeal. What does bother me however, is the laboriously slow pacing of many of the episodes. Also, the acting is decidedly not modern in some cases - and I'm not talking about Shatner. I love The City on the Edge of Forever, for example, but it's almost ruined for me because of the style of Joan Collins' acting, which I understand is very "classic Hollywood" but doesn't feel naturalistic at all. And of course, only about 40% of the episodes are actually good.
Speaking personally, TOS is a distant third for me after DS9 and TNG. At 39, I'm old enough that I actually watched a bit of TOS as a child before TNG ever even came out. There is a lot I appreciate about TOS - most notably that it was by far the Trek with the strongest connection to "real science fiction," it was probably the most issue-focused Trek, and of course it set the stage for what was to come. The cheesy visuals don't bother me in the slightest - in fact it adds to the appeal. What does bother me however, is the laboriously slow pacing of many of the episodes. Also, the acting is decidedly not modern in some cases - and I'm not talking about Shatner. I love The City on the Edge of Forever, for example, but it's almost ruined for me because of the style of Joan Collins' acting, which I understand is very "classic Hollywood" but doesn't feel naturalistic at all. And of course, only about 40% of the episodes are actually good.
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I'm 41. Grew up on TOS reruns throughout the 80s. Enjoy the nostalgia of TOS and there ARE some truly great stories there. The original cast movies were my bread and butter though. Other than those films and a smattering of episodes spanning all series, DS9 is the only one that I can just rewatch and rewatch.
I'm 18, Voyager is my favorite, although I can definitely see how one could argue that it's objectively not as good as other Trek shows. I would probably rank TOS as my second favorite, but maybe that's just because I rewatched the first two seasons recently, while its been more time with the other shows. Or maybe it's because I haven't rewateched season three yet That being said I don't dislike any Trek series. I find there are some weaker seasons like ENT Seasons 1-2, Voyager Season 1 and of course TOS Season 3, but overall I find all series to be at least "solid".
That being said I don't dislike any Trek series. I find there are some weaker seasons like ENT Seasons 1-2, Voyager Season 1 and of course TOS Season 3, but overall I find all series to be at least "solid".
I'm 34. My favorite iterations of Trek are the original cast movies, TNG & DS9.
I think the original movies have the best look, feel, and cast chemistry of any Trek ever made. I think they look better than the Kelvinverse films.
A lot of TOS is hard for me to sit through, but it has some of my favorite episodes also. I love Journey to Babel and Balance of Terror.
One of my frustrations with STD is if they wanted to link it so much to TOS, why didn't they just make it TOS? To me it should have either been TOS or preferably a new show set in the distant future.
I think the original movies have the best look, feel, and cast chemistry of any Trek ever made. I think they look better than the Kelvinverse films.
A lot of TOS is hard for me to sit through, but it has some of my favorite episodes also. I love Journey to Babel and Balance of Terror.
One of my frustrations with STD is if they wanted to link it so much to TOS, why didn't they just make it TOS? To me it should have either been TOS or preferably a new show set in the distant future.
If they'd made it TOS the Fandementalists would be shrieking even louder and cutting themselves with abalone shells so that the soul of Roddenberry would return and cleanse the studios of this non-jellybean-button horror. I think they are trying to show a transition though from an era before TOS to the more dynamic starfleet we get a glimpse of (one ship, 3 seasons) in TOS
The 'Fandementalists' are already screaming.
By this logic the Kelvinverse films should have never been made.
Making it TOS would have made it more appealing to the general public IMO.
They took a risk. Not a huge one but they took it. I appreciate that.
Don't worry, I'm calm about it. My comment that you quoted was part of me trying to explain what happened after I was accused of sniping/targeting. I wasn't trying to snipe and was just making a joke, but it was misnterpretted and hence I apologized for it and in doing that needed to explain. Also, this is not the only forum I've ever been part of. I have thousands of posts on the internet and it is rare for me to offend people. I know I did in this thread and hoped I cleared it up. I admit I'm sensitive about it because i don't like to offend people. Anyway no offense meant to you, but if you say something like that, you should expect a response. I also expected a response to my response.
Calm down. No one has not allowed you to "make my comments" in the forum, have they? All I'm saying is that you used an obviously limited number of posts from which to draw a general conclusion. That usually leads to faulty conclusions. What statistics, it's common sense.
BTW, if you make a statement on this site, any statement about anything, be ready to have that statement questioned or even "attacked", especially if the statement is perceived to be inaccurate. Over sensitivity can be a liability here.
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I'll be 27 in 3 weeks and I'm a huge fan of TOS. I discovered it almost 11 years ago. It was my introduction to Star Trek. I was channel surfing a few weeks before prom and the show just ended, but I managed to catch the end credits music. I dug the theme so much I had to wait a whole week to see what the show was. That next week my first episode viewing was of The Galileo Seven. From then on I was hooked.
Was it your first Trek show you liked? Also a question I am always curious about with fans who are kind of late bloomers is why weren't you watching before you gave it a chance? I was also like this and I didn't become a fan until my senior year in high school. I'm not sure why I didn't give Trek a chance when i was younger. I mean like any 80's kid I watched plenty of garbage tv so how did I miss out on something that was good and you would think a young person would be into. I don't know why other than I was more into cartoons like GiJoe and Transformers and then I got into sports. I think TNG use to run on the weekends so I bet I was watching the NFL or NBA or something instead.
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It's rather odd. I never really knew about the Original Series existence despite seeing parodies of it on Family Guy. It never really clicked. When I was really young I knew about TNG and VOY. I was guilty of being a dumb kid and thinking TNG was Star Wars for old people. My tastes were different back then. I was biased because my dad took me to see Star Wars during it's theatrical re-release. Plus I was big into video games that time. Most of my time was spent on the good old N64.
Though years later once I discovered TOS by pure luck it set me down the path to loving Star Trek. After I saw The Galileo Seven, I immediately sought out to rent all of TOS and binge watched it. I was really taken in by the stories and the characters. I loved it's larger than life feel and it's optimistic outlook on the future.
Once I finished TOS I found TAS on DVD and watched it. It was awesome to have all new adventures of the TOS crew. Then I went into the TOS movies. In the summer of the following year I decided to continue on and watch TNG. I watched it over the summer. I had a new appreciation for it and really enjoyed it for the most part. It has it's flaws but it was good. I then went into the TNG movies and was pretty dissappointed with them except for First Contact. I then to try out DS9, VOY and ENT. I finished DS9's first season and loved it. It had that TOS feel in a way. I need to continue with that series. I couldn't get into Voyager or Enterprise. Neither really clicked with me and after a few episodes of each I gave up on them. They just weren't my cup of tea.
Then Star Trek 2009 came out and I really loved it then. I do like it still but not as much as my original viewing. I was okay with Into Darkness. It was just weird to me. I don't think I really absorbed that movie. I loved Beyond though. It was a great experience.
And lastly with Discovery, I was pretty disappointed by Season one. I adore TOS and that time period. So getting a pre TOS set show was pretty exciting but Discovery's execution was the polar opposite of what I wanted out of a show set in that era.
TOS really set the standard for my love of Star Trek and I don't think anything will surpass it. Though DS9 and The Orville come close to capturing that feel.
Sorry this got a little long but that's my Star Trek story.
I was pretty late getting into Star Trek as well. I've always been a huge Star Wars fan and my uncle's descriptions of TOS (the only Star Trek series he enjoys) didn't sound very appealing to me as a kid. It sounded cheesy, antiquated, and boring. I was only vaguely aware of the later series, mainly "the one with the bald guy and the bearded guy." I guess I stayed away from that mainly because my uncle wasn't a fan of it. He had a lot of influence on me.It's rather odd. I never really knew about the Original Series existence despite seeing parodies of it on Family Guy. It never really clicked. When I was really young I knew about TNG and VOY. I was guilty of being a dumb kid and thinking TNG was Star Wars for old people. My tastes were different back then. I was biased because my dad took me to see Star Wars during it's theatrical re-release. Plus I was big into video games that time. Most of my time was spent on the good old N64.
Though years later once I discovered TOS by pure luck it set me down the path to loving Star Trek. After I saw The Galileo Seven, I immediately sought out to rent all of TOS and binge watched it. I was really taken in by the stories and the characters. I loved it's larger than life feel and it's optimistic outlook on the future.
Once I finished TOS I found TAS on DVD and watched it. It was awesome to have all new adventures of the TOS crew. Then I went into the TOS movies. In the summer of the following year I decided to continue on and watch TNG. I watched it over the summer. I had a new appreciation for it and really enjoyed it for the most part. It has it's flaws but it was good. I then went into the TNG movies and was pretty dissappointed with them except for First Contact. I then to try out DS9, VOY and ENT. I finished DS9's first season and loved it. It had that TOS feel in a way. I need to continue with that series. I couldn't get into Voyager or Enterprise. Neither really clicked with me and after a few episodes of each I gave up on them. They just weren't my cup of tea.
Then Star Trek 2009 came out and I really loved it then. I do like it still but not as much as my original viewing. I was okay with Into Darkness. It was just weird to me. I don't think I really absorbed that movie. I loved Beyond though. It was a great experience.
And lastly with Discovery, I was pretty disappointed by Season one. I adore TOS and that time period. So getting a pre TOS set show was pretty exciting but Discovery's execution was the polar opposite of what I wanted out of a show set in that era.
TOS really set the standard for my love of Star Trek and I don't think anything will surpass it. Though DS9 and The Orville come close to capturing that feel.
Sorry this got a little long but that's my Star Trek story.
So how did I end up watching Star Trek, anyway? By around 2006 when I was about 14, there were no more Star Wars movies planned and it seemed that the franchise was over (aside from video games,comic books, etc). I was interested in finding something new to get into. Around that same time, TOS-R was coming out. Even though I'd never shown the slightest interest in Star Trek, I watched an episode to give it a try. Unfortunately, that episode was "The Apple." Ugh.
A little while later though, I gave it another chance. The second episode I saw was "The Trouble With Tribbles." I loved it despite its age (I discovered that it was actually its own thing, not just a second rate Star Wars), so I set out to watch all of TOS. Eventually I watched and mostly enjoyed all the other series and movies. TOS may not quite be my favorite, but it was my first and that makes it special.
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