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Castle: "Overkill" 5/10/10 - Grading & Discussion

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A robbery-homicide prompts Beckett to invite Det.Demming to assist on the case; the investigation becomes a competition for Beckett's attention, since both men race to solve the case.

Since thread activity is pretty low for Castle these days, next season either I'll skip making episode threads all together or just have one big season thread. Any opinions?
 
I think a running season-long commentary on the series could be interesting.

I gave the episode an above average.


I have developed a theory re: The Interloper Cop. I suspect he killed Beckett's mother. I base this on several factors:
His sudden appearance to help Kate with murder investigations.
He quickly put the move on Kate.
He's assigned to robbery in another precinct and yet he keeps turning up to help out with Kate's murder investigations (she never needed that kind of help before).
He may have learned that Castle had taken an interest in investigating Mother Beckett's death.
 
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I just think he is a plot device to get Castle and Beckett together, but we'll see.

Interesting to have two killers independent of each other. I thought early on they might be working together, but didn't see that twist. Pretty fun.

I'm glad Castle wasn't completely overbearing and obvious with his jealousy like you see on many shows, but he still skated closer to that line than I'd have liked. Still, a good one all the way around and look forward to next week's finale.
 
A clever twist, though otherwise it was still too much the annoying formula where each suspect they bring in gets easily cleared but happens to mention something that points them to the next suspect. They've got to stop doing that all the time. Although having two suspects who both get "cleared" and both turn out to be guilty is a nice variation.

From a legal standpoint, though, they probably won't both get convicted of murder, since only one of them would've actually delivered the deathblow. The evidence shows he was still alive and reaching for the phone after he was shot, so that means the second culprit, the bludgeoner, would presumably have been the one who actually killed him. The shooter would only get attempted murder, I think.

It was a bit contrived that Martha just happened to have a "rivalry" subplot of her own that aligned with Castle's issues with Demming. And Alexis only had one scene -- for shame!

This was one of those episodes where the characters keep missing the obvious. I could tell right off the bat that the "MURDERE" written on the mirror was supposed to be "MURDERER" -- how could it be anything else? (In fact, in the opening scene, I assumed that was what it did say but the final "R" was cut off because the stupid cable company doesn't letterbox the show.) And it was easy to guess that the new product with the harmful chemical in it would turn out to be the shaving cream. Why didn't Castle and Beckett just ask the weepy woman which specific product it was? You'd think Castle would've immediately been worried that it might've been the shaving cream and would've wanted to find out. And when Benny the clerk couldn't give a good description of the suspect beyond "She was small for her size" ( :lol: ), why didn't they probe for some specifics like race, hair color and length, things like that? At least they could've ruled one or two people out.
 
I think a running season-long commentary on the series could be interesting.

I gave the episode an above average.


I have developed a theory re: The Interloper Cop. I suspect he killed Beckett's mother. I base this on several factors:
His sudden appearance to help Kate with murder investigations.
He quickly put the move on Kate.
He's assigned to robbery in another precinct and yet he keeps turning up to help out with Kate's murder investigations (she never needed that kind of help before).
He may have learned that Castle had taken an interest in investigating Mother Beckett's death.

Umm...don't we already know who killed Beckett's mother? Beckett ended up killing him in the precinct when he took Castle hostage. He was a hired hitman. We just don't know who hired him. Do you mean Demming is the mastermind? I find that hard to believe.

As for the episode, it was largely boring. Some funny bits, but the murder plot was a yawner and the competition over Beckett is getting annoying. Castle can screw his way through New York's socialites, but Beckett can't even kiss a guy without Castle's world crumbling down?

Meh. It's exactly like Chuck's near-endless dilemma: Chuck sleeps with numerous women while angsting over Sarah, but Sarah can't even look at another guy without Chuck going into a tailspin. Did she even sleep with SuperShaw or just constantly go out on dates that were interrupted? Ugh. It's like a twelve-year-old is writing this shit.
 
Umm...don't we already know who killed Beckett's mother? Beckett ended up killing him in the precinct when he took Castle hostage. He was a hired hitman. We just don't know who hired him.

Well, I wouldn't say "just," since the person who hired the hitman is ultimately more responsible for the murder -- certainly from the perspective of a mystery story, anyway. We know who wielded the knife, but it's still a mystery who wanted Beckett's mother dead and why.

Do you mean Demming is the mastermind? I find that hard to believe.

He seems a little too young to be the one. I'm not sure when Beckett's mother was killed, but we know it was before she became a cop; I suspect it was when she was an adolescent. If Demming's the same age as Trucco, he would've been in his mid-20s at most. Doesn't seem like a mastermind-ish sort of age.

Castle can screw his way through New York's socialites, but Beckett can't even kiss a guy without Castle's world crumbling down?

We've seen Beckett react with the same kind of veiled jealousy when Castle has been involved with other women. I don't see any inequality there.
 
I think a running season-long commentary on the series could be interesting.

I gave the episode an above average.


I have developed a theory re: The Interloper Cop. I suspect he killed Beckett's mother. I base this on several factors:
His sudden appearance to help Kate with murder investigations.
He quickly put the move on Kate.
He's assigned to robbery in another precinct and yet he keeps turning up to help out with Kate's murder investigations (she never needed that kind of help before).
He may have learned that Castle had taken an interest in investigating Mother Beckett's death.

Umm...don't we already know who killed Beckett's mother? Beckett ended up killing him in the precinct when he took Castle hostage. He was a hired hitman. We just don't know who hired him. Do you mean Demming is the mastermind? I find that hard to believe.
Dang, I forgot about that. I still maintain that this guy has some nefarious motive going on here. Dropping him into the show just to tease the fans with a jealousy bit is just stupid.
 
Castle can screw his way through New York's socialites, but Beckett can't even kiss a guy without Castle's world crumbling down?

We've seen Beckett react with the same kind of veiled jealousy when Castle has been involved with other women. I don't see any inequality there.

The jealousy isn't the problem. They can both be as jealous as they want. The inequality comes from Castle actually sleeping with whomever he pleases while somehow still pining for Beckett, but Beckett being forced by writer fiat into chastity while she pines for Castle. She can date, she can kiss, she can flirt all day long, but she may not be penetrated, lest that in some way betray her nonexistent romantic relationship with Castle.

The show runners are falling into a typical adolescent male fantasy trap.
 
^What are you talking about? How do you know Beckett isn't sleeping with Demming?

Besides, I don't see it as stereotypical so much as arising from their established personalities. Castle has been established from the start as an immature womanizer, while Beckett has been established as more serious and mature. Also Castle's rich and famous and gets a lot of attention, thus a lot of opportunities with women, whereas Beckett travels in circles that give her fewer opportunities for casual sex. It wouldn't make sense for their respective approaches to relationships to be perfectly symmetrical. It's got nothing to do with "pining for Castle." It's just a logical outgrowth of their established characterizations.
 
How do you know she is sleeping with Schlemming?

My interpretation of how their relationship has been presented thus far is that she has yet to sleep with him. Maybe in the next episode they'll come right out and show or tell they've slept together and that'll be that, but until they actually do, Beckett is still going to be the faux-virginal object of desire perpetually perched on her pedestal, while Castle angsts his way from one bed to the next.

I'm not asking for perfect symmetry here, I'm asking for a bit of realism. Beckett has had plenty of opportunities for casual sex, or do you think a decorated, model-hot police officer would actually have no choice but celibacy? Castle has taken nearly every opportunity he's been given to sleep with other women, while Beckett has taken every opportunity not to sleep with other men. She's had no potential romantic relationship with any man except Demming in just the last handfulof episodes.

It's false drama to try and make me give a shit about Castle feeling bad when he watches Beckett and Demming. Castle and Beckett are both pining for one another. Nearly every single scene they have together re-establishes this fact. Yet she smiles and shrugs when he sleeps with another in a long line of women and he starts losing it when she kisses another man once.

Beckett isn't toying with him. He didn't screw up majorly and seemingly ruin his chances in act 1. The world isn't conspiring against his getting together with her. The writers are.

They seriously need to get beyond this crap. Either have them get together (whether it works or not) or have them decide to be friends (whether it works or not), but the will they/won't they trapeze act is hugely cliche and boring. Not to mention, the huge reset button that gets pushed at the end of every episode:

Joky, joky -> angst -> longing looks -> cusp of decision ... RESET BUTTON ... joky, joky ... etc.

It doesn't help that the cases haven't been all that compelling of late, either. I really like this show, but I'm getting premonitions of Chuck re-runs here, a show that wasted way too much energy on spinning its wheels like this.

EDIT:

I'm not a B/C shipper anymore at this point, either. I don't care if Beckett and Castle never have a romantic relationship. Have her and Demming get together permanently and show us all that entails. Have Castle lose interest in sleeping around, focus on his family even more, or sleep with even more women or whatever. Show me how that all plays out. Just DO something.
 
For what it's worth, in "Heat Wave," Castle wrote Heat/Beckett having casual sex with her martial-arts sparring partner.
 
How do you know she is sleeping with Schlemming?

I never claimed any such knowledge. I merely pointed out that there's no reason to take it as a fact that she isn't. You know, "I don't know" is an allowable answer. It's not as if every question has to be a choice between two opposite certainties. My point is that there's no basis for certainty either way, that ambiguities should not be ignored.


My interpretation of how their relationship has been presented thus far is that she has yet to sleep with him. Maybe in the next episode they'll come right out and show or tell they've slept together and that'll be that, but until they actually do, Beckett is still going to be the faux-virginal object of desire perpetually perched on her pedestal, while Castle angsts his way from one bed to the next.

"Faux-virginal?" Where do you get that? Beckett has clearly been established as a sexually experienced adult woman who's interested in dating men. (Remember "The Mistress Always Spanks Twice," where Beckett demonstrated a surprising familiarity with the BDSM scene?)

I think you're projecting some expectations of your own that come from somewhere else, because I don't see anything like what you're describing in the show I'm watching. For one thing, I don't think Castle's really been shown sleeping with anyone this season beyond that actress who was screwing him to get the part in the Heat Wave movie. (I also remember him reconnecting with his second ex-wife, but I think that was last season.) I think you're exaggerating an intermittent thing into a regular pattern. The stereotypes you're seeing are ones that you yourself are forcing the evidence to fit.


I'm not asking for perfect symmetry here, I'm asking for a bit of realism. Beckett has had plenty of opportunities for casual sex, or do you think a decorated, model-hot police officer would actually have no choice but celibacy?

Of course I don't think that, because it's a straw man that bears no resemblance to what I'm actually saying. My point is that she's a different person from Castle and the fact that she approaches relationships differently can be attributed to the fact that she's an individual, not just some gender stereotype. That is realism.


Castle has taken nearly every opportunity he's been given to sleep with other women, while Beckett has taken every opportunity not to sleep with other men. She's had no potential romantic relationship with any man except Demming in just the last handfulof episodes.

Since "The Third Man," where both Castle and Beckett went on simultaneous dates and both of them failed to get lucky, the only liaison I recall Castle having is with the actress in "The Late Shaft," and she was clearly the aggressor. And Beckett started making goo-goo eyes at Demming the very next week, and that relationship has been going on a lot longer. So this disparity you're seeing is much smaller than you're making it out to be.

Yet she smiles and shrugs when he sleeps with another in a long line of women and he starts losing it when she kisses another man once.

Now that is simply a false statement. First, I've already debunked the "long line of women" exaggeration. Second, Beckett's veiled jealousy about Castle in "The Third Man" and "The Late Shaft" was no different from Castle's veiled jealousy about Beckett in the Demming episodes.

The world isn't conspiring against his getting together with her. The writers are.

Of course they are. That's what you do in a show like this. That's why they brought in Mark Harmon in Moonlighting. It's the inevitable next step in a show where the leads in an Unresolved Sexual Tension scenario begin to admit their attraction: you throw distractions and obstacles in their path. After all, stories are about conflict and crisis. If your characters want something, a writer's job is to make it hard for them to get it. If it's an ongoing series, you try to delay it as much as possible. In a format like this, that means once the couple starts showing signs of recognizing their feelings for each other, you toss in guest characters to divert their affections and complicate the situation.


They seriously need to get beyond this crap. Either have them get together (whether it works or not) or have them decide to be friends (whether it works or not), but the will they/won't they trapeze act is hugely cliche and boring.

I don't disagree with this part. I just think your allegations about sexism and stereotypes are totally off the mark. Yes, Castle's been shown to be somewhat more sexually active than Beckett, though not to the extreme degree you claim; but that's beside the point, because what he feels for Beckett isn't just about sex. She's not just a conquest to him; if she were, he probably would've gone ahead and seduced her already, or at least tried. He has real feelings and respect for her. She means more to him than his casual affairs, and his connection to her is on a more mature and deeper level.

I'm not a B/C shipper anymore at this point, either. I don't care if Beckett and Castle never have a romantic relationship. Have her and Demming get together permanently and show us all that entails. Have Castle lose interest in sleeping around, focus on his family even more, or sleep with even more women or whatever. Show me how that all plays out. Just DO something.

The season finale's in four days. I'm sure they'll "do something" then.
 
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