Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"
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Star Trek: Discovery and the upcoming CBS All Access Star Trek series have no connection to Bad Robot. If you want to talk about facts, at least get this one straight. I'm not the first person to point this out to you.
Because what fans want to see and what general audiences want to see are often two different things. This can be a problem when, generally speaking, television shows depend on a much wider audience than the hardcore fans.
I have no problem in theory with a fan running the franchise. But they need to have a little idea of how to (1) run a franchise and (2) have a modicum of business sense. And they need to put what they want to see behind for the good of the series when it’s needed.
None of that describes Alec Peters, the “knowledgeable fan” this poster is trying to push on us.
None of that describes Alec Peters, the “knowledgeable fan” this poster is trying to push on us.
And proof that opinions are like .....
But, how it was presented was not about hiring knowledgeable fans. It was basically requesting that fan productions be produced with CBS' blessing, which erodes away CBS' power over the brand. That is unacceptable.
Secondarily, it cannot be both ways regarding fan fic vs. little knowledge. Fan fiction, by definition, is consumed with fan knowledge. So, they cannot both have little knowledge/respect of the universe and write fan fiction.
Finally, CBS is not going to hire outsiders who cannot produce a consistent product on time, on budget and satisfy an audience on a large scale.
To be completely fair, Prelude was pretty enjoyable in its own right. If they'd stuck to the documentary format for the finished product and not tempted fate by selling branded merchandise, CBS might have let it go.
Of course, there was no chance of that happening once Peters discovered how much he liked money.
The boxes have been checked. Just waiting for the rest.
Good Afternoon Sir,
Please finish form 27B-6, if you please so I can initiate automatic reply. You will need to check the appropriate boxes followed by "and another thing, what about all the" or "is not part of Gene's Vision" or "is what's ruining the franchise." Thank you.
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|__| except for the bits with Pike. Oh God.. Pike. Pike!
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The Ministry of Information Retrieval
Read the script (it's on the Axamonitor FB group, under "files") and get back to me. It's 90 minutes of pew pew and the characters all telling Alex Peters' character how amazing he is.
It's YEARS later, he still hasn't made his 15 minute Axanar shorts, yet is still asking for money to pay to maintain Axanar sets which he says won't even be used in said shorts. Oh yeah, and failing to sue his would-be Axanar movie director over seemingly nothing.
The[i Star Trek Continues[/i] people have done voice work for Star Trek Online, and Prelude to Axanar/New Voyages/Renegades CG guy Tobias Richter does CG work for various Trek tie-ins and the Online game. In other words, the people who are capable of creating worthwhile content, get work.
Actually, the absolute opposite. The director of Nemesis had neither interest nor knowledge of Star Trek, continued to call Geordie "an alien", and never bothered to learn the full names of the main characters beside Stewart and Spiner.
You are NOT doing ANYONE any favours by lumping everyone critizising DIS into the "SJW"/Youtube commentary section crowd. DIS has enough failings on it's own that the show has now been completely re-tooled twice(!), and many people have absolutey reasonable reasons to not like it.
And to mock people for liking Pike is even stupider - yes, he's a white man. He's also literally the only DIS main character that embodies the larger spirit of Star Trek - optimism, duty, and always doing the upright, moral thing when you got the choice. Fuck all this "hard men doing hard choices"/"So what we cheer now for the cannibal Nazi now" shit this show tries to pull to be "edgy".
Your morals ain't worth shit if you throw them out the second it becomes difficult to stand by them.
I assume the reference is to the scriptwriter, John Logan, who was a big fan. Direction was far from the only problem with Nemesis. The combined powers of Myer, Frakes and Nimoy could not save that script.
I don't see anything about the post which does so. That is one of several options, and rightly so given that a portion of critics of Discovery most certainly rail against "SJWs".
Nor is the post aimed at everyone who is critical of Discovery; it's directed to a person who has come in saying they hope Abdin wins (because...Discovery bad?), railing against "STD", claiming Axanar would be better than any of it (better than Calypso, If Memory Serves and the like?), declaring what "fans" want and citing a conspiracy theory promulgated by certain YouTube channels.
Frankly, I think a tongue-in-cheek dismissal is well warranted.
Prelude was fine. But I put a lot more of that on people like Christian Gossett and Robert Meyer Burnett than I do Peters. I think it’s a little overrated but it’s fair to suggest my opinion might be mired by the gatekeeping fans who kept mentioning how amazing it was when they were trying to convince the world that they knew what was best for Star Trek. (They didn’t.)
Axanar, on the other hand, was garbage. Or, at least the script was.
Well, as far as movies go, writers are at the absolute bottom of the food chain. The film turns out to be what the director does, if things are bad, what he does at the orders from the producers behind him. Saying "Nemesis was made by a fan" because the screenwriter was a fan is very, very far fetched. The absolute opposite is true - Nemesis was helmed by someone specifically chosen because he had no connections to it.
Yes, there are quite a few YouTube-personalities railing against "SJW". And they make a lot of Star Trek-related videos - but also about Star Wars, Ghostbusters, and a lot else... funnily not MARVEL, which is even more political in it's messaging, but actually very popular and successfull.
But lumping everyone on this board - Star Trek fan board, who argues his case in person instead of soundbites - into that crowd, by suggesting all of their criticism only boils down to buzzwords from these shitheads - is actually bad form and completely uncalled for. I know XCV330 didn't intended that, and that he's probably just (rightfully) annoyed with these smear campaigns. But especially with a show this divisive, it's important to not lump all criticism together and assume the worst. But rather, that there is a legit amount of problems and concerns, and it's only that some rightwing trolls try to take over the debate by focusing on arbitrary attributes like women or POC being present.
And no, none of these puts them in the proximity of these consipiracy videos or makes them a troll, which this post heavily implied. And yes, "STD" is a perfect - if a little mocking - acronym for the show, that's how naming conventions work. And no, Abdins' case is not that far fetched - The one thing that's really in favour of CBS is the timeline - which suggests they come up with the idea on their own. Nevertheless, Abdin was first, and the similarities are substantial on first sight. Anyone without advanced knowledge how television production timelines work, and is not intimately familiar with which one of Abdin's video's was published at what time exactly and which plattform, can absolutely be mistaken into thinking CBS ripped this guy off.
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Filmmaking is a collaborative effort. You can't have a movie without a script. Calling writers "the bottom of the food chain" is simply disingenuous. You are correct. Stuart Baird, the director of the film, did not know nor care about Star Trek. Regardless, the writer, John Logan is/was a big Trek fan. He wrote the script. If you're going to parse words (when you know exactly what the guy meant), you can at least acknowledge all of the facts as they are.
You’re confusing the writer and the director. John Logan wrote the script and Stuart Baird directed the film. Baird was the one who did the things you mention, but Logan was the one who was the Trek fan.
You're confusing the two. I wrote "the director of Nemesis" was to blame. That's the guy who's responsible for the movie. And he's the one that did the things I mentioned (e.g. not being a Trekkie, and not even bothering to get into it or even understand it at all).
And yes, John Logan wrote the movie - but he's not the artist crafting the story or anything. This is not a writer-driven movie. The writers' job on a movie like that is putting down on paper what the directors, producers and stars (in this order) tell him to do. And he did just that.
The conversation was about fans being in charge of Trek productions. Someone mentioned that the last time that happened we got Nemesis. You mentioned that the director of Nemesis was not a Trek fan. But the person was referring to Logan, not Baird.
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