Funny how completely bias that statement is toward CBS.
Seems some folks around here may also be "shitting themselves" if the case is dismissed because the Court felt that the Plaintiff couldn't prove his accusations.
Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"
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Seems some folks around here may also be "shitting themselves" if the case is dismissed because the Court felt that the Plaintiff couldn't prove his accusations.
so far the case is not at a phase where such documnts would be presented in a way that would not be public (and CBS like any company doesn't want work product public). If the case continues to depositions/discovery that is when they would be presented just like in Stranger Things.
The case simply isn't at a point where things like that would come up. Cases take time and go through phases and we are not at that phase yet.
IMO, They already have a decisive victory with the timeline that shows they basically couldn't have copied the tardigrade. Howeever some people are never going to believe CBS didn't steal it no matter what.
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Read.
The legal system is not a "okay, all cards on the table and then we fight" system. It is a "let me prove you should spend your time on this" system.
They are under no obligation to consider the PR facet. The lawyers are there to protect CBS' interests and holdings. The idea that need to worry about the anal nature of fans is laughable at best.
And when you are being sued for all of the profits discovery has made and taking discovery off the air your focus is winning any way you can. Pr is irrelevant. You can’t afford to lose with stakes like that in play. You do everything by the book at each step of the legal process.
Funny how completely bias that statement is toward CBS.
Seems some folks around here may also be "shitting themselves" if the case is dismissed because the Court felt that the Plaintiff couldn't prove his accusations.
Let's be honest. We all have our bias and we all show it. To steal a page from another lawsuit, "I have no dog in this fight." I don't give a shit at what happens. I enjoy Disco but its not my favorite show and even at a worst case scenario, the production has to pay some royalties to Abdin, add a credit for him in some form and call it a day. The production budget may be a little less, but that's not a huge deal. There's no way in hell Abdin will win his point about getting the show off the air, if that's even still something he expects. Its a ridiculous demand on his part.
But as has been suggested time and time again, Abdin has to prove it and the case he's presented thus far is fairly flimsy. Could he pull it out and make it happen? Sure. Is that a likely outcome? Have you met my friend, Dr. Strange?
Listen.
Because you seem to have missed it the last 76 pages.
Nobody besides CBS and Abdin himself actually gives a shit about the legal specifics of this court case. People care about the "truth" behind it.
Sor us - the viewers - weather CBS has to pay a penny to Abdin or not is of as secondary of importance as audience ratings, profit margins, subscriber numbers or shareholder pay outs.
They matter only in so their influence over the final product we're consuming.
The Tardigrade was the one(!) unique SF concept from the first season I actually really liked, because it was so bonkers. If I'd find out that that was wholefully plagiarised, it'd sour me a lot about the rest of the season. Conversely - as it seems they didn't - I'd have more confidence in the creative abilities of the makers of the show.
And yeah, CBS clearly prioritized to keep this case as low-profile as possible. But that simply hasn't succeeded. And if they really have such a clear cut case, a simple statement like "when plaintiff was releasing his first version of the Tardigrade, we were already in the post-production phase of our Tardigrade" would have been way more convincing. And honestly wouldn't have negatively influenced their standing in court one bit. As it happened - only Abdin went to the press. And he has a really convincing case on first glance. Only if you go really into the weeds - like, page 71 on a DIS fan forum board - you find the first, actual convincing defense for CBS.
They might win the court case. Nobody ever doubted it - hell, they probably would have won even if they did stole the idea. But they really dropped the ball on convicing anyone else but the court that they created their idea independant. And for a whole franchise that expects it's few hardcore consumers to keep an entire streaming service alive - people that really go above and beyond to seek out information for their IP themselves, and thus probably stumble on this case - public credibility of their fandom is kinda' important.
Cbs just doesn’t release press statements about cases like this. They never really have. Just not what they do and I’m fine with that. They don’t owe me an explanation about anything.
If there are not going to sub to cbsaa because they think the plot was plagiarized they likely we’re not going to sub in the first place. Don’t think it’s high in people’s decision making process on wether they watch dsc or not.
In this instance, it is not as important as it appears at first blush.
I don't think most people care for messy truths. I'm not even sure the justice system cares for messy truths. It's a formula.
That much is true. I personally think in this case for Star Trek it would have been better if they did. But CBS is more than Star Trek, and they have probably really good reasons for this policy.
Yes, and no. I'm with you that nobody is going to unsubscribe because of a lawsuit behind the scenes. But it did became a lot of fodder for the anti-DIS machine, and I think all that noise - combined with the fact most people didn't check out because of the paywall - is a factor that could deterr potential viewers. I honestly still don't know what the correct approach to "fake news" is - ignore it, and it spreads, adress it, and you provoce a reaction with awalanches of new stuff you then have to counter. I think this is an issue too large for this thread.
All I'm personally saying is, I'm pretty annoyed that we had entire episodes of season 2 taking place inside the upside dow-errr... mycelial network, and NOT ONCE did a tardigrade show up or was ever mentioned again! Shame.
I like that, actually. If Ripper was a one in a million lucky find because his kind are super rare, Stamets stays a "limited resource" that can't be replaced, which is a good basis for storytelling.
Huh? This is not true. This entire thread has concerned itself with nothing but the legal specifics in this case. This is probably also true of the youtubers who believe Abdin actually has a case.
How do you know this?
What are you talking about? CBS made this very statement in either their initial answers to the lawsuit or in their Motion to Dismiss. Of course making this statement wouldn't "negatively influence" CBS' position in the case. Why would CBS knowingly make a statement to the court that would hurt it's position?
Again, what are you talking about? Ninety percent of the people in this thread believed Abdin's case had little to no merit after just seeing his allegations. This was even before CBS filed answers or it's Motion to Dismiss. Perhaps you have been unduly influenced by the opinions held by Midnights Edge videos and their comments' section?
Why are star trek fans so important that the few that even know about this case deserve a statement?
Abdin wants CBS to feel pressure to settle so the lawsuit goes away. CBS issuing any press release about this lawsuit helps abdin because it creates more media articles about the lawsuit and more articles is more pressure on CBS to settle.
So why is a CBS press release good for their case? It isn't.
He only wants CBS to release a press release trying to prove their side so Abdin and his lawyers know what documents and info to ask the courts for. That isn't how it works.
Abdin is the one who has to prove his case. It isn't on CBS to prove they didn't do anything.
You know it IS okay for people to not conform to majority (Discovery forum fan) opinion...
CBS already owns the story of "Equinox" ("Star Trek: Voyager"), 1999. Story by Rick Berman, Brannon Braga & Joe Menosky.
If only the reasons why they held a nonmajority position made sense.
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