Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"

[Succubint]

It wasn't a blue tardigrade. I wish people would get even the most basic facts right. The spores it ate/communed with were blue. When it's surrounded by spores in the spore chamber it looks more blue. The tardigrade itself was dark reddish brown.

 

[DaveyNY]

To be fair to Abdin: His game was already called "Tardigrade" - including a small little blue Tardigrade logo - way before that. And the visual of his giant-sized, blue sparkling Tardigrade going FTL was publicly presented before DIS premiered. That's a pretty convincing case, and the reason why it's really only this DIS-fan-subforum on a Trek-fan-forum that extensively defends CBS. Outside, in the real world, people have most likely either A) Never heard of that case, or B) Believe Abdin, because, well, he was first. And usually, if it comes to creative similar materials, first dips count.

But! As such, CBS actually has a damn good case: As per @Campe98's timeline, CBS already had finished filming their Tardigrade episode before the day Abdin's Tardigrade teaser debuted. That's the main convincing argument. Because without the Tardigrade, it's just people in blue jumpsuits in grey corridors. But if you wouldn't know this little tidbit - again, which was burried deep within even here - just on a surface look, Abdin's claim doesn't look that far fetched.

Your first sentence is just plain wrong.
He didn't start to include the Tardigrade in his work that was first made public, until after he saw that DISCOVERY was going to use the creature as well.
Now he may have intended to include the creature in his "game" well before that, but did not state so when he first put his game up for consideration in the STEAM contest to be voted on.
(which apparently is what his whole case is based on)
If one does manage to locate his proposal now on STEAM, one will find that it has been heavily altered from it's original form.

 

[gblews]

You know it IS okay for people to not conform to majority (Discovery forum fan) opinion...

Yes, it's also okay for people to conform to logic as well. And I'm not talking about "opinions' here, I'm referring to the acceptance of facts, law, rules of civil procedure, etc., which have been presented in this thread by many posters on many pages.

Having the opinion that DSC ripped off Abdin's work is fine, but continuously claiming that the court is biased against Abdin because the judge and court are following normal procedure, is absurd. It is especially ridiculous to make these claims of bias based on rules and regulations which are completely created by one's imaginings of the way it "should" be.

 

[Rahul]

Your first sentence is just plain wrong.
He didn't start to include the Tardigrade in his work that was first made public, until after he saw that DISCOVERY was going to use the creature as well.

Dude. You're completely off.
Here is the timeline:

1. Abding works forever on his "Epoch" game
2. Abdin changes the name to "Tardigrades" (with a blue logo, including a tiny Tardigrade, but nothing more)
3 CBS films their own Tardigrade episode (S1ep03) - but NO public is aware at that point Tardigrades will appear anywhere on the show
4. Abdin puts the famous trailer online where he shows his Tardigrade going FTL, and which is the basis for the comparison - being the first to go to the public
5. DIS premieres it's own Tardigrade episode - AFTER Abdin did.

But - because of the timeline of production - CBS must have already developed their Tardigrade before Abdin's went online. So they couldn't have "stolen" his idea, but created a very similar independantly.

Though he doesn't know that, and assumes the worst because he premiered his stuff first, and goes to court.

 

[Refuge]

Sigh, I still can't get over this. If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then why is it so hard for folk to not think this guy is a duck , I mean is genuine? No doubt he will lose or it will be dismissed or time or money will run out or... whatever and the status quo will be restored. Glory be, the angels will sing

 

[Tuskin38]

Sigh, I still can't get over this. If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then why is it so hard for folk to not think this guy is a duck , I mean is genuine? No doubt he will lose or it will be dismissed or time or money will run out or... whatever and the status quo will be restored. Glory be, the angels will sing

Because the timeline doesn't add up. Abdin didn't publically reveal that his Tardigrade was human sized, until after the DSC crew had already written and filmed the episodes with their Tardigrade. Succubint even posted an image above of the DSC crew filming with a stand in.

So it's a total coincidence. CBS didn't copy him, and he didn't copy CBS.

Also, the character being compared to Stamets didn't look like that until after Anthony Rapp was cast. The character did exist, but not with that design.

 

[urbandefault]

Out of 15 episodes in the season, Ripper was in, what, three? Then he was gone, never to be spoken of again.

Abdin would have to have some really damning evidence, and I'll bet there is none.

But I'm sure the judge is giving him every opportunity to make his case, because that's what judges do.

 

[DaveyNY]

Dude. You're completely off.
Here is the timeline:

1. Abding works forever on his "Epoch" game
2. Abdin changes the name to "Tardigrades" (with a blue logo, including a tiny Tardigrade, but nothing more)
3 CBS films their own Tardigrade episode (S1ep03) - but NO public is aware at that point Tardigrades will appear anywhere on the show
4. Abdin puts the famous trailer online where he shows his Tardigrade going FTL, and which is the basis for the comparison - being the first to go to the public
5. DIS premieres it's own Tardigrade episode - AFTER Abdin did.

But - because of the timeline of production - CBS must have already developed their Tardigrade before Abdin's went online. So they couldn't have "stolen" his idea, but created a very similar independantly.

Though he doesn't know that, and assumes the worst because he premiered his stuff first, and goes to court.

Did you see his original presentation that was offered up in the STEAM Contest?

Cause I did.
There was no mention of a tardigrade in any of it, nor was there any representation of a tardigrade present.
It was even still called EPOCH at that point.

His Original Claim is that someone from the production of DISCOVERY, saw his ideas during the STEAM Contest and therefore copied it.

He altered the original material AFTER he first started contacting the CBS lawyer to include his ideas about the tardigrade and then sometime after that put it up on Youtube for the public to finally see.

 

[Tuskin38]

The steam trailer is on his youtube channel, it's dated July 2017.

So during S1's filming, around the same time as Episode 9-10 was being filmed. 6-7 episodes after the final Tardigrade episode.

 

[Krandor]

As a point of comparison, here is what a case of stealing of somebody's work looks like and I can't wait to find out how the heck this happened.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019...dventure-taken-down-amid-cries-of-plagiarism/

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/eso-elsweyr-plagiarism-1203209230/

 

[Krandor]

Out of 15 episodes in the season, Ripper was in, what, three? Then he was gone, never to be spoken of again.

Abdin would have to have some really damning evidence, and I'll bet there is none.

But I'm sure the judge is giving him every opportunity to make his case, because that's what judges do.

He thought of that. Abdin's claim is that after Stamets got injected with the tardigrade DNA that then continued the copyright infringement. So every episode where Stamets jumps the ship is an infringement on his game.

 

[Rahul]

Did you see his original presentation that was offered up in the STEAM Contest?

Cause I did.
There was no mention of a tardigrade in any of it, nor was there any representation of a tardigrade present.
It was even still called EPOCH at that point.

His Original Claim is that someone from the production of DISCOVERY, saw his ideas during the STEAM Contest and therefore copied it.

He altered the original material AFTER he first started contacting the CBS lawyer to include his ideas about the tardigrade and then sometime after that put it up on Youtube for the public to finally see.

Dude.
No need to lie.
No need to twist the facts.
He published his Tardigrade first.

This trailer of his:

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...debuted on the 12.Juli 2017

"Discovery" premiered two months later, on 24th September 2017, and the very first time ANYONE outside CBS got to see "Ripper" was in "Context is for Kings", which premiered on 1. October 2017.

Dude was first. That's why he's so pissed.
But he wasn't that much first that CBS could have stolen the idea from him - because production for an episode lasts longer than two month - they were already working on Ripper behind the scenes before Abdin premiered this trailer.

 

[DaveyNY]

The original steam trailer is still on his youtube channel, it's dated July 2017.

So during S1's filming, around the same time as Episode 9-10 was being filmed. 6-7 episodes after the final Tardigrade episode.

That particular video was NOT included in his presentation to be voted on during the STEAM contest period.
It came well after the fact.
He is claiming that someone in the DISCOVERY Production saw his STEAM entry, not that they saw the July 2017 video.
I'm pointing out that his entry DID NOT Show, Talk About or even Mention a Tardigrade at the time of the STEAM Contest.

And Rahul, the comment indicating lying was uncalled for.

 

[Tuskin38]

That particular video was NOT included in his presentation to be voted on during the STEAM contest period.
It came well after the fact.

That's still before any episode actually aired and before he even would have contacted CBS.
It's after the Tardigrade episodes would have been filmed, and after they would have used that life sized cutout in filming. I'm just saying the video wasn't put up to try and prove his point.



I'm on CBS side here.

 

[Rahul]

That's still before any episode actually aired and before he even would have contacted CBS.
It's after the Tardigrade episodes would have been filmed, and after they would have used that life sized cutout in filming. I'm just saying the video wasn't put up to try and prove his point.



I'm on CBS side here.

Indeed. But I also definitely have sympathy for the guy - he was first, and then felt robbed of his idea. Completely understandable. Doesn't give any merit to his court-case though.

 

[Tuskin38]

I agree. I also feel bad that the haters making him think he had a chance.

 

[DaveyNY]

His case is apparently built on the supposed fact that someone saw his presentation on STEAM.
Not that they saw anything on Youtube.
That is what his lawyer has indicated in the writs to the court.
And is why they wanted access to DISCOVERY Production Names and Data from the Valve Corp.

I'm simply pointing out that based on my knowledge of his original STEAM presentation, that was not possible.

(and something I first pointed out about 20 or 30 pages ago)

 

[Refuge]

Indeed. But I also definitely have sympathy for the guy - he was first, and then felt robbed of his idea. Completely understandable. Doesn't give any merit to his court-case though.

Yep it does fall in the judges lap. Regardless he should take some pride that he got his idea out there in the public domain first and just by coincidence Discovery just happened to without any crossover accidentally manage to come up with the same stuff.

 

[Rahul]

His case is apparently built on the supposed fact that someone saw his presentation on STEAM.
Not that they saw anything on Youtube.
That is what his lawyer has indicated in the writs to the court.
And is why they wanted access to DISCOVERY Production Names and Data from the Valve Corp.

I'm simply pointing out that based on my knowledge of his original STEAM presentation, that was not possible.

Because it's impossible to track who watched a YouTube video. Instead he now has to prove access via Steam, which is...yeah... ridiculous. And really not his original idea.

 

[Rahul]

Yep it does fall in the judges lap. Regardless he should take some pride that he got his idea out there in the public domain first and just by coincidence Discovery just happened to without any crossover accidentally manage to come up with the same stuff.

Yeah. On his original blog posts - I'm 100% with him. As far as the court case goes? Well, I thought he was right, until I was made aware of the specific dates and timeline. Had his trailer debuted a year earlier or so, he'd have a case IMO. But as it is? Bad luck, but lots of publicity. Could have been used better though...