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News Carole Ann Ford wants to say "Hello, grandma!"

I'd like Jenny to come back too, maybe she could have regenerated at some point if Georgia doesn't want to come back. Then the Doctor, her daughter and granddaughter could travel together. Three generations of awesome women traveling through time and space, fighting monsters and helping people.
Three Gallifreyans and not a penis between them.

However would they steer the Tardis ?
 
Ah geeze, if she's supposed to be Susan, they should just call her Susan!

If she truly is playing the same character from 'The End of Time,' she has NO name at all. Not anymore. Rassilon stripped that from her, erasing her name from all of Time itself for defying his will (as well as making her and one other guy who pissed him off imitate Weeping Angels as 'monuments of their shame').
 
Maybe they hit a Hollows of Time-style issue, where the show was bringing back the Master on screen, so BF weren't allowed to use him at that time. Same dealie with a modern Susan?
 
If she truly is playing the same character from 'The End of Time,' she has NO name at all. Not anymore. Rassilon stripped that from her, erasing her name from all of Time itself for defying his will (as well as making her and one other guy who pissed him off imitate Weeping Angels as 'monuments of their shame').
If they're getting Carole Ann Ford, she needs to be Susan.
 
You seem to have a distinct habit of finding convoluted and obscure reasons other than sexism to object whenever a sci fi franchise is given a female lead....
Really? I don't recall that. In fact, I've never said that a female lead in a sci-fi program was terrible. Except that like Tom Baker, I think a different actress should have been chosen and the "woke" symbolism and script dialogue is a huge turnoff. I mean, it's nice you like to say that (with underlying condescension), but you can go back in this thread and others and see, I've never said such. You seem to want to keep pointing my comments towards sexism. Which is what you probably believe with anyone who has an issue with the casting of Jodie Whittaker. That's quite close minded, for someone who is supposedly "progressive" open minded and enlightened.
 
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You seem to want to keep pointing my comments towards sexism.

He's not the only one who finds your comments sexist. Lots of people here, from all around the world, have reached the same conclusion reading your comments and have pointed this out to you. So which is more likely?

1. there's a vast international conspiracy of people on the internet who don't know each other, that has a nefarious purpose of discrediting you, a random poster on a random board, for some unfathomable reason.

2. what you're saying comes off as sexist.

If by your own words women in real life describe your behaviour as predatory, and women here find your comments sexist, don't you think maybe you should reevaluate your attitudes? It might just be that it's not ALL WOMEN who are at fault, maybe it could be just you? :shrug:
 
Really? I don't recall that. In fact, I've never said that a female lead in a sci-fi program was terrible. Except that like Tom Baker, I think a different actress should have been chosen and the "woke" symbolism and script dialogue is a huge turnoff. I mean, it's nice you like to say that (with underlying condescension), but you can go back in this thread and others and see, I've never said such. You seem to want to keep pointing my comments towards sexism. Which is what you probably believe with anyone who has an issue with the casting of Jodie Whittaker. That's quite close minded, for someone who is supposedly "progressive" open minded and enlightened.

He's not the only one who finds your comments sexist. Lots of people here, from all around the world, have reached the same conclusion reading your comments and have pointed this out to you. So which is more likely?

1. there's a vast international conspiracy of people on the internet who don't know each other, that has a nefarious purpose of discrediting you, a random poster on a random board, for some unfathomable reason.

2. what you're saying comes off as sexist.

If by your own words women in real life describe your behaviour as predatory, and women here find your comments sexist, don't you think maybe you should reevaluate your attitudes? It might just be that it's not ALL WOMEN who are at fault, maybe it could be just you? :shrug:

It seems any further comment of mine at this point is redundant.
 
Why would she be shocked? She’s Gallifreyan too and would well aware that changing gender is common. She might be shocked that the Doctor in particular changed genders given the more modern depictions of his views on women, but would likely refer to her as Grandmother as soon as she recognized her.
Even if it wasn't common, she still wouldn't be shocked. And I would be glad if she instantly recognised her, in contrast to the Doctor who never recognised themself.

She's running after her, yelling “Grandma!...” The Doctor turns around, looking at Susan with a sigh of regret and burden in her eyes – she hasn't remained true to her promise to come back, and hasn't seen her granddaughter in so long. “Grandma, you've grown older,” Susan remarks and embraces her.
 
Even if it wasn't common, she still wouldn't be shocked. And I would be glad if she instantly recognised her, in contrast to the Doctor who never recognised themself.

She's running after her, yelling “Grandma!...” The Doctor turns around, looking at Susan with a sigh of regret and burden in her eyes – she hasn't remained true to her promise to come back, and hasn't seen her granddaughter in so long. “Grandma, you've grown older,” Susan remarks and embraces her.
Although I think she should be saying "grandmother", as she called the first Docor "grandfather".
 
She's running after her, yelling “Grandma!...” The Doctor turns around, looking at Susan with a sigh of regret and burden in her eyes – she hasn't remained true to her promise to come back, and hasn't seen her granddaughter in so long. “Grandma, you've grown older,” Susan remarks and embraces her.

I always took the fact that The Five Doctors opened with One's "Someday I'll return" speech indicated that he had in fact returned . . . and then caught up in the time scoop. I suppose that might not have happened and they were caught separately.
 
You know, I just thought of a much, much better plot for The Five Doctors: Susan is kidnapped, and every one of the first five Doctors is trying to find her, each solving a piece of the puzzle.

And if you can't have Tom Baker there, just say he was kidnapped as well, again using that Shada footage, in an attempt to prevent the Fifth Doctor from finding out who took Susan and why. THEN you could have a grandiose revelation about her and the First Doctor, in fact.
 
Really? I don't recall that. In fact, I've never said that a female lead in a sci-fi program was terrible. Except that like Tom Baker, I think a different actress should have been chosen and the "woke" symbolism and script dialogue is a huge turnoff. I mean, it's nice you like to say that (with underlying condescension), but you can go back in this thread and others and see, I've never said such. You seem to want to keep pointing my comments towards sexism. Which is what you probably believe with anyone who has an issue with the casting of Jodie Whittaker. That's quite close minded, for someone who is supposedly "progressive" open minded and enlightened.

Come on. This is old. You freaked OUT when Whitaker was announced. You didn't mention how it was done, you didn't mention this "value signaling." You freaked out because it was a woman. We all saw it happen in real time.
 
Except that like Tom Baker, I think a different actress should have been chosen and the "woke" symbolism and script dialogue is a huge turnoff.
This is what Tom Baker has said about Jodie Whitaker:
So we finally have a woman playing the Doctor now. Does a female take on the role appeal to you?
"Well, yes, sure it does. And people say she’s very good. And why not a female... Does she wear trousers and things like that?"

She does.
"Oh, does she."

And a long coat...
"And a scarf?"

No scarf. Nobody dares go near the scarf...
"[Laughs] They should put that in. She opens a cupboard and there’s a long scarf in there and she just screams!"
Source
Please indicate how this makes Baker of the opinion a different actress should have been chosen.
I mean, it's nice you like to say that (with underlying condescension), but you can go back in this thread and others and see, I've never said such. You seem to want to keep pointing my comments towards sexism. Which is what you probably believe with anyone who has an issue with the casting of Jodie Whittaker. That's quite close minded, for someone who is supposedly "progressive" open minded and enlightened.
Do you want your first post after Whitaker's casting was announced dug up again?

To summarize, when Whitaker was cast, you completely lost your shit and ranted about SJWs, death of the franchise, and vowed to stop watching the show. When people responded to what was a rather hateful and bigoted post accordingly, you pulled out the tired excuse of "being tolerant means you have to accept my intolerance" defense. When that got you nowhere, you backpedalled and claimed you have no problem with a woman playing the Doctor, it just shouldn't be Whitaker, a line you're still clinging to as well as some convoluted nonsense about how the show totally bungled the introduction of a female Doctor and that it should have been done more organically.

The Doctor is a woman. Deal with it. The show for the past seven years has gradually been softening the audience up for this by establishing genders can change during regeneration, introducing a female Master (who has been well received by the general audience) and actually showing a gender-changing regeneration. Not sure how much more "organic" they could have made this, not that I required this to be "organically" done to begin with. You're continued complaints on this matter do make you look sexist.
 
This is what Tom Baker has said about Jodie Whitaker:

Source
Please indicate how this makes Baker of the opinion a different actress should have been chosen.

Do you want your first post after Whitaker's casting was announced dug up again?

To summarize, when Whitaker was cast, you completely lost your shit and ranted about SJWs, death of the franchise, and vowed to stop watching the show. When people responded to what was a rather hateful and bigoted post accordingly, you pulled out the tired excuse of "being tolerant means you have to accept my intolerance" defense. When that got you nowhere, you backpedalled and claimed you have no problem with a woman playing the Doctor, it just shouldn't be Whitaker, a line you're still clinging to as well as some convoluted nonsense about how the show totally bungled the introduction of a female Doctor and that it should have been done more organically.

The Doctor is a woman. Deal with it. The show for the past seven years has gradually been softening the audience up for this by establishing genders can change during regeneration, introducing a female Master (who has been well received by the general audience) and actually showing a gender-changing regeneration. Not sure how much more "organic" they could have made this, not that I required this to be "organically" done to begin with. You're continued complaints on this matter do make you look sexist.
whoa... Triggered much?
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Its an opinion.. just accept it, and keep your sexist inquisition to yourself. I prefer a different actress to Jodie Whittaker. Did I like the change from male to female at first? No.. and not because I have some hidden misogyny, or fear of women in strong lead roles.. all those crummy phony accusations are just that. personal bias being levied on someone who doesn't have the same borg minded opinion. it's this kind of vitriol and knee jerk accusatory and derogatory condescending over the top responses of bigotry, sexism, racism, you name it.. this "basket of deplorables" attitude and online lynching that is engaged in by people on here is the reason why there are many who just don't want to engage anymore, let alone want to even watch the new series. It's TOXIC and anyone who doesn't agree with the whole notion put forth by those who deem themselves the arbitrators of morality, are shouted down, ganged up on and called falsely hurtful names. If we are true Whovians, we would embrace the idea of working to understand our differences, rather then create outlandish convoluted ways to logically try to prove someone who you disagree with is some label. That's not coming together, that is creating more animus and hostility in a fandom that is divided. Just because there are a majority of fans in this forum who feel one way and claim to be the majority, does not mean this is so in real life outside of the forum-verse. You can come in and attack all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that, this is exactly the behavior that is tearing apart many fandoms, and I would have thought as Doctor Who fans, we could be better.

Tom Baker was hoping for a different female Doctor Who lead
(so was I)
https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/...oping-for-a-different-female-doctor-who-lead/
 
it's this kind of vitriol and knee jerk accusatory and derogatory condescending over the top responses of bigotry, sexism, racism, you name it.. this "basket of deplorables" attitude and online lynching that is engaged in by people on here is the reason why there are many who just don't want to engage anymore, let alone want to even watch the new series.

Dude, if racist, sexist homophobes are annoyed that the mostly liberal fanbase of an extremely and historically liberal sci-fi franchise (Doctor Who and/or Star Trek) that famously mixes entertainment with liberal social commentary isn't buying their racist, sexist, homophobic bullshit, maybe those bigots SHOULD disengage with said franchise and fandom.

It's TOXIC and anyone who doesn't agree with the whole notion put forth by those who deem themselves the arbitrators of morality, are shouted down, ganged up on and called falsely hurtful names. If we are true Whovians, we would embrace the idea of working to understand our differences, rather then create outlandish convoluted ways to logically try to prove someone who you disagree with is some label. That's not coming together, that is creating more animus and hostility in a fandom that is divided.

That whole "So much for the 'tolerant left' not being tolerant of racism, sexism and homophobia" excuse is clearly, hilariously bullshit, and yet you all keep trying to pass it off like it isn't clearly, hilariously bullshit. You all think it makes you look clever and not racist, sexist and homophobic, but it just makes you all look like racist, sexist homophobes that are ALSO complete and utter idiots. You're all fooling no one with that hilariously moronic argument, and are more than likely converting more people to the side of basic human decency with its inept transparency. So, keep it up my friend.:lol:
 
I Think the Doctor would be too ashamed to see her as he feels responsible for killing her son and his great grandson.
Romana is the one that should return. Only after this female Who nonsense has passed.
 
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