Caretaker and The Voyager Conspiracy

[Tracy Trek]

In the pilot episode, we see a graveyard of abandoned ships where Neelix is salvaging for junk. I always assumed they were the vessels that the Caretaker had abducted from all over the galaxy. But in the episode "The Voyager Conspiracy", doesn't Neelix tell Seven that the Caretaker sent the ships back. Making the only ones that didn't get sent back: Voyager, Equinox, and Chakotay's ship.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Did the Caretaker brought Equinox into the Delta Quadrant? I don't remember. I guess I'll have to see that episode again.

 

[TonyaLang_SB118]

Did the Caretaker brought Equinox into the Delta Quadrant? I don't remember. I guess I'll have to see that episode again.

He did definitely do that. Janeway and Equinox' Captain (forgot his name) talked about that when he was injured on his own ship and Voyager's crew came to save them.

In the pilot episode, we see a graveyard of abandoned ships where Neelix is salvaging for junk. I always assumed they were the vessels that the Caretaker had abducted from all over the galaxy. But in the episode "The Voyager Conspiracy", doesn't Neelix tell Seven that the Caretaker sent the ships back. Making the only ones that didn't get sent back: Voyager, Equinox, and Chakotay's ship.

Yes, that might be true. I just think the whole episode was very confusing and conjured up. But still: it was a nice one. ;-)

 

[hux]

If the Caretaker was sending ships back, people would have stories about the giant array that pulled them to the other side of the galaxy and Starfleet would have some clue about Voyager's fate.

But they didn't because the Caretaker never did send ships back. He certainly never claimed to send them back. That was purely Neelix speculating.

And speaking of that line, I think I'm with Kes.

NEELIX: Well, after he sampled the crew's DNA he sent them back where they came from, I suppose. You know, Kes always thought something more was going on, but she had quite an imagination.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Caretaker didn't send back Dreadnought either.

To be fair, Caretaker clearly said that he didn't have time to send Voyager back (because he was dying).

RANSOM's go to move is to run, and then hide from his chasers hovering above the magnetic poles of any near by planet. If Rudy hadn't scarpered, Caretaker would have sent Equinox back to the AQ.

Deadnaught is an unrapeable robot. That probably pissed Caretaker off no end, but I doubt it stopped him trying. Did Banjoman later decide to make babies with B'Elanna because that girl sounded just like a huge torpedo he enjoyed rooting a few weeks earlier?

It's possible that the debris field is from Kazon infighting, kazon piracy, or back when Caretaker was on his game, that guy smiting all the little ####ers who wanted to take advantage of his wards, like the first ten times the Kazon tried to unsuccessfully claim Ocampa.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I forgot that Neelix said he supposed the ships were sent back, rather than just saying they were sent back.

 

[Drone]

In the pilot episode, we see a graveyard of abandoned ships where Neelix is salvaging for junk. I always assumed they were the vessels that the Caretaker had abducted from all over the galaxy. But in the episode "The Voyager Conspiracy", doesn't Neelix tell Seven that the Caretaker sent the ships back. Making the only ones that didn't get sent back: Voyager, Equinox, and Chakotay's ship.

Are you sure that the field is composed of ships? I seem to remember that it was just solid, but large waste material, or as Neelix himself later described it, junk. I'll need to see it again as it's been awhile.

 

[The_Baroness]

If the Caretaker was sending ships back, people would have stories about the giant array that pulled them to the other side of the galaxy and Starfleet would have some clue about Voyager's fate.

Why? "All over the galaxy" doesn't mean "Most of them came from a specific region of the alpha quadrant"

The ones we know of will likely be a vast minority. Most will come from other regions, the distant Gamma and Beta quadrants, regions of the Alpha we don't know about.

Also, I doubt the Romulans would be keen to share details about missing ships, Klingons neither...

Voyager and Equinox might just be the only two Federation ships to have been abducted

 

[hux]

Why? "All over the galaxy" doesn't mean "Most of them came from a specific region of the alpha quadrant"

He targets one spot (taking the Val Jean) then exactly one week later, targets the exact same spot (taking Voyager). Not only does the Caretaker target the same quadrant, he even targets the same area of that quadrant.

The badlands has a Bermuda triangle reputation so I think we can safely assume that other Alpha quadrant (if not Federation) ships had also been taken.

Caretaker doesn't send ships back.

 

[Guy Gardener]

SEVEN: In the months before Voyager's arrival, Neelix recorded the appearance of fifty two vessels, including this one.
CHAKOTAY: A Cardassian warship.
SEVEN: A remarkable coincidence. Only days before Voyager's arrival, the Cardassians were already in the Delta Quadrant.
CHAKOTAY: The Caretaker was trying to find a mate, remember? He was pulling ships from all over the galaxy.
SEVEN: I'm familiar with the Caretaker's actions. In each instance, he would examine the crews' DNA, and when he failed to find a genetic match he would release the vessel. But in this instance, Neelix's sensors indicated the ship vanished. Obviously, it was returned to the Alpha Quadrant. Why?
CHAKOTAY: You seem to have all the answers.
SEVEN: I believe the Cardassians were sent back to deliver strategic information regarding the Delta Quadrant.
CHAKOTAY: Conjecture.

Well that's conclusive.

Only imaginary Cardassians go home.

52 other ships, and Janeway didn't meet any of them other than Ransom and dreadnought.

 

[hux]

Is it possible that there actually was a clever conspiracy here?

Were the Voyager writers more brilliant than we ever realised?

 

[Tracy Trek]

Why? "All over the galaxy" doesn't mean "Most of them came from a specific region of the alpha quadrant"

The ones we know of will likely be a vast minority. Most will come from other regions, the distant Gamma and Beta quadrants, regions of the Alpha we don't know about.

Also, I doubt the Romulans would be keen to share details about missing ships, Klingons neither...

Voyager and Equinox might just be the only two Federation ships to have been abducted

That's what I was thinking. Was the Equinox taken from the Badlands as well? I watched this recently, but it's only like the second time I've ever watched it. So I don't recall what they said about where they were taken from. It was a few months before the Val Jean and Voyager were taken, right?

Or there were other disappearances. But they happened in different locations and nobody was seeing a pattern. This is one reason I always thought that the Hera (commanded by Geordi's mother) may have been one of the Caretaker's abductions as well.

Someone else mentioned, were we sure they were wrecked ships. I always assumed that's what was in the debris field. The ships of the Caretaker's abductions and then they were attacked by the Kazon before they high-tailed it out of that sector. Or they could have been attacked by Vidians and the crew processed for body parts. I suppose the debris could have been the remnants of the Kazon fighting each other as well.

 

[stardream]

Is it possible that there actually was a clever conspiracy here?

Were the Voyager writers more brilliant than we ever realised?

Oh...fanfiction....or better yet...Kirsten Byers get on that!

 

[Terok Nor]

Is the Cardassian ship Neelix recorded supposed to be the one that was chasing Chakotay's ship in the pilot episode? We never saw Gul Evek again so it's probably safe to assume the Caretaker didn't send that ship home either. What a douchebag.

 

[The_Baroness]

He targets one spot (taking the Val Jean) then exactly one week later, targets the exact same spot (taking Voyager). Not only does the Caretaker target the same quadrant, he even targets the same area of that quadrant.

The badlands has a Bermuda triangle reputation so I think we can safely assume that other Alpha quadrant (if not Federation) ships had also been taken.

Caretaker doesn't send ships back.

He was targeting that region at that particular time. He probably takes a handful of ships from any given region then moves onto another. "All over the galaxy" is what we know. That doesn't describe the badlands.

The Equinox could have been taken from anywhere, it's mission being short-term planetary research, is it even likely it was in the badlands?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Senility.

Banjoman kept targeting the same spot because he would forget that that sector/zone had already been reaped.

Years ago I figured out that Caretaker was as dumb as Trelane. The enclosure designed to keep the humans passive before he raped them was from 1930s America. Caretaker thought that Earth was both simultaneously the 1930s and 2370 because his bulb was dimming. Lightyears = Time x the distance traveled by light in one year. Therefore the badlands are 440 light years from Earth.

 

[hux]

He was targeting that region at that particular time. He probably takes a handful of ships from any given region then moves onto another. "All over the galaxy" is what we know. That doesn't describe the badlands.

The Equinox could have been taken from anywhere, it's mission being short-term planetary research, is it even likely it was in the badlands?

So he targets an area that doesn't provide fruitful results then thinks... where shall I target next?... I know, I'll target that area where I got those other people who weren't compatible.

And even if it is short term targetting, it still amounts to the same thing. If he was sending them back, there would be some knowledge of his actions.

I think the senile argument works.

 

[Terok Nor]

The douchebag argument also works.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Douche bag is why he'd spent a thousand years reducing the Ocampa into cows.

Senile is why this story started a week before he died of old age while dithering.

 

[Terok Nor]

Fine. He's a senile douchebag plot device