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Cardassian Engineers - under-rated?

Mr_Closet

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Hi folks,

I've been wondering if Cardassian shipwrights are getting a bad rap. The literature online implies that the Galor class are nothing particularly special, being considered inferior in combat capability to an Ambassador in the early years and never really wowing anyone, even during the latter seasons of DS9 where the biggest change appeared to be a different colour light bulb behind the big glowy thing at the front. The Keldor (check spelling) were basically a Galor with a luggage rack and, apparently, an increase in firepower, but still got bounced in large numbers and, along with their more numerous Galor half-siblings, usually played the role of big dramatic burning space wreck that signalled the beginning of a really big space battle. Real cannon fodder. Once the Cardassian ships were all destroyed the Feds, Romulans and Klingons got down to business destroying Dominion ships.

But hang on. I vividly recall the first time I saw a Cardy ship. First thing I thought was "hey look, someone else agrees with Starfleet about ship design!"

Why should I think this? Because the Cardassian's build ships with a primary and secondary hull and on the face of it, appear to divide command and engineering functions between the hulls in the same way that the Feds do. So we have a small, rounded command hull up top projecting well forwards of a large engineering hull below, which contains what must be a deflector (even if phasers sometimes come out of it - but I'll come to that later), and the warp drives (of which we only see the extreme ends - the glowing bits - as they're embedded in the hull).

There's a difference in size, yes. That just means that most of the Cardassians have their living quarters in the engineering hull instead. But if you look, you notice still more similarities. The impulse engines at the rear of the command hull, for instance.

It's also got a really big belly underneath, behind the deflector-like thing. I imagine that the rear aspect of this big square underside has hangar doors in it, which makes it more analogous to the traditional Starfleet layout as made famous by the Constitution class, with a large hangar located behind the deflector, at the aft end of the secondary hull.

Now, a further correlation. Cardassians appear to have thought of at least one technological innovation that the Feds came up with in the heat of the moment. We've seen the Enterprise fire a hastily cobbled together superweapon through it's deflector at a Borg cube. We constantly see Cardassian ships firing a phaser-like weapon through their deflector-like feature at the front. I imagine this is done because the Cardassians use their deflector to mount a really powerful forward firing weapon of some kind.

Clearly the Cardassian's are quite pleased with this layout. They even use the hull silhouette as a logo, a fact I found easy to explain with reference to Star Trek: Enterprise in which crewmembers wear mission patches depicting the outline of the ship type on which they serve.

So, do we disregard Cardassian design without justification? Or do we just think that shiny mustard yellow is a crap colour for anything that isn't a giant flying pyramid for a space faring Eqyptian god?

Cheers,
 
I rather liked it as well, the Keldon class seemed to be the top of the like, Plus they have a good surface area to internal volume ratio.
 
Ive ALWAYS loved the Galor class ship, never been keen onthe Keldons though because that extra section on top just doesnt look that good. Ive always liked the fact the Galors primary weapons is a single very powerful phaser beam emitted from the centre of the red deflector dish, I love the DS9 episode where the Cardassians turn on the Dominion and one of the Galors fires on the Bug ships to protect the Defiant, was COOL!
The bit im talking about is 1 minute and 36 seconds into this UTube Video here.
 
Tis an okay design, but I'll never forget the scene in "Sacrifice of Angels" where a Galor comes into the fray firing, only to be brushed aside contemptuously by two big Galaxies punching it full of burning holes with their main phasers.
 
JuanBolio said:
Tis an okay design, but I'll never forget the scene in "Sacrifice of Angels" where a Galor comes into the fray firing, only to be brushed aside contemptuously by two big Galaxies punching it full of burning holes with their main phasers.

yes but if you look in more detail you've got to consider the fact the Galaxys are far larger and the Galor doesnt blow up. ;)
 
You ever notice that the aft "pincers" of the Galor looks exactly like the forward end of the Vor'cha?

Rick Sternbach designed both the Vor'cha and the Galor, and while he was creating the latter for "The Wounded," he decided to "appropriate" the Vor'cha's forward disruptor to cover the Galor's tiny ass. It's a shame the producers never caught onto this, for either ship. Makes for a nasty surprise in a chase.
 
That would be a nice comment on Cardassian mentality and doctrine...

-Their "main", forward weapons can't really hurt another starship
-They are excellently placed for bombarding helpless planets, though
-The saucer with the command facilities, comfortable quarters and science labs (essentially, the brain of the ship) is tiny
-The secondary hull with the engines and shuttlebays (the brawn of the ship) is huge in comparison, ready to disgorge occupation forces to victim planets
-The only really big ship-to-ship gun is at the stern; if somebody non-helpless turns up, these guys immediately turn tail and run

It would make perfect sense for the Cardassians to build ships like that. Just like it made perfect sense for the Nazis to build sneaky submarines and raiders instead of big and flashy battleships and aircraft carriers.

Aesthetically, of course, the Galor is a scorpion without legs, so a tail stinger makes perfect sense in that respect as well.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Mariner Class said:
You ever notice that the aft "pincers" of the Galor looks exactly like the forward end of the Vor'cha?

Rick Sternbach designed both the Vor'cha and the Galor, and while he was creating the latter for "The Wounded," he decided to "appropriate" the Vor'cha's forward disruptor to cover the Galor's tiny ass. It's a shame the producers never caught onto this, for either ship. Makes for a nasty surprise in a chase.

Not exactly, but close enough. Ever wonder why the Cardassian scout looks suspiciously like the Defiant? Or why the Buran looks like the Shuttle?

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
Rick Sternbach said:
Mariner Class said:
You ever notice that the aft "pincers" of the Galor looks exactly like the forward end of the Vor'cha?

Rick Sternbach designed both the Vor'cha and the Galor, and while he was creating the latter for "The Wounded," he decided to "appropriate" the Vor'cha's forward disruptor to cover the Galor's tiny ass. It's a shame the producers never caught onto this, for either ship. Makes for a nasty surprise in a chase.

Not exactly, but close enough. Ever wonder why the Cardassian scout looks suspiciously like the Defiant? Or why the Buran looks like the Shuttle?

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com

IIRC, you wrote that in your Galor article in "Star Trek Communicator."

I know because I have that.
 
Mariner Class said:

IIRC, you wrote that in your Galor article in "Star Trek Communicator."

I know because I have that.

I believe I also mentioned the bit of technology stealing re: Defiant and the Cardy scout in the DS9 tech manual, so I'm convinced that the Cardassians will look elsewhere for their equipment ideas if they deem it necessary. So it must be true. :D

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
Rat Boy said:
Rick Sternbach said:
Or why the Buran looks like the Shuttle?

Buh-zing!

The story I heard long ago was that the Russians bought, outright, a huge pile of blueprints of the Shuttle from Rockwell/North American for about $100,000. No way to tell if that's true, but the rumor did make the rounds. As far as the Cardassians are concerned, they probably analyzed a ton of scans and maybe stole or bribed someone to obtain data files of various ships and shuttles.

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
Yes. The Cardassians seem perfectly willing to try stealing or cheating stuff they want, which they've tried on numerous occasions throughout Trek. If they see something that obviously works on someone else's ship, why not copy it? They don't have THAT much of a design aesthetic.

Another thing is numbers - for the most part, the Cardassians crank out an obscene number of Galor class warships in a very small time, or the Dominion War. I have no idea how long it took the US Navy to build all those destroyers and escort carriers in the latter half of WWII, but the Cardassians seem to have NO problem going from an economy in recession (so much so that they need to abandon Bajor) to having hundreds of their workhorse starships to mildly whup Starfleet's ass with the help of the more powerful Dominion ships.

If you think about it, the Galors tend to have more straight angles and square cross sections than most starships, which suggests that they're easier to mass-produce than the really curvy Starfleet or Romulan ships. I dunno if Rick figured that in advance, but the Cadassians and Klingons had more angular ships, and they're the ones looking for war most often in the TNG era...

Mark
 
Did we really see Cardassians rapidly increase their numbers during the war?

I know the Monac shipyards in "Shadows and Symbols" had a pretty impressive array of ships under construction or repair (something like 25 per dock assembly, at least four such assemblies). But the Utopia Planitia yards also looked busy enough in VOY "Relativity". The big question would be, did we actually witness an increase in Cardassian ship numbers during the war?

For all we know, Cardassians always had the numbers, and lost their wars because their ships were of inferior design. The yards during the war might have been dedicated to fitting better weapons onto preexisting Cardassian ships, and to building superior Dominion designs. That's how I'd imagine the Dominion would decide - the Cardassians would have little to say on the matter.

..Unless their docks were incapable of building Dominion ships, and thus were better utilized creating more Cardassian ones. But that isn't the case, as in "Shadows and Symbols" Weoyun specifically asks Damar to increase the production of Dominion attack ships on those yards.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I have liked the designs of their space stations. I like how DS9 looks. I think their designers do a pretty good job.
 
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