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Carbon-free fusion power could be ‘on the grid in 15 years’

Solar should work just fine on the Moon, especially if set up in suitable polar locations and/or using energy storage to cope with the 14-day nights. It's a simple, well-understood technology.

An RTG is also simple - a radioactive fission heat source with thermoelectric generation. The expense is sourcing and handling radioactive materials. The electricity generation side is cheap.

Fusion reactors for deep space exploration are farther in the future than for commercial energy generation. The technology is barely in its infancy and it's expensive to research, develop, build, and maintain.

Fission reactors are more feasible in the short term but likely too politically sensitive, of course.
It's more about the time it would take to deliver all the materials needed to make the battery system. That's a lot of mass to haul to the moon. If you build at, say Shackleton, then obviously not a problem.
NASA does have a small fission reactor now,
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/kilopower
pretty much made with the moon in mind.
 
I'd recommend stopping hauling stuff out of Earth's gravity well. Develop advanced robotic tech to mine the Moon and asteroids instead, process the ore, and build colonisation infrastructure. I don't know how easy it would be to extract elements such as lithium, aluminium, titanium etc. given that those bodies have not been subject to hydrothermal deposition. Some asteroid material appears to have been differentiated due to melting within a larger body that was then disrupted. We also know there was large-scale vulcanism on the Moon 4+ billion years ago that likely concentrated certain elements in some locations.
 
Interesting: the US NRC had a meeting on regulatory framework and safety for the new commercial fusion companies. Helion and Commonwealth both provided some insight on where they are at.

https://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/webSearch2/main.jsp?AccessionNumber=ML22081A057
Interesting stuff. I noted this statement on slide 48:
FIA members anticipate applying for a commercial operation license as early as 2026, with more coming 2027-2030.
but I don't know whether this refers to Helion or Commonwealth or both.
 
Interesting stuff. I noted this statement on slide 48:

but I don't know whether this refers to Helion or Commonwealth or both.
Helion most likely. They're already using one of their reactors for commercial He3 production. But the newer plant being build alongside is supposed to be a pruduction facility and not just a lab, with first plasma supposedly next year or 2024, so that date sounds right. Commonwealth has their own large scale facility under prodution but don't intend commercialization for another ten years or so. They've also hit a snag, as the superconducting "Tape" they use in their D sections were sourced from Russia.. so.. that's a problem, now.
 
I really haven't read much about either. The Commonwealth reactor looks to be configured more like a conventional tokamak. The Helion reactor looks to be a magnetic-confinement pulsed pinch fusion method. I don't know much about the technology but breaking away from the problems inherent in the more conventional magnetic-confinement designs is very interesting approach. I don't have the expertise required to judge competently whether it'll scale to sustainable commercial viability.
 
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I really haven't read much about either. The Commonwealth reactor looks to be configured more like a conventional tokamak. The Helion reactor looks to be a magnetic-confinement pulsed pinch fusion method. I don't know much about the technology but breaking away from the problems inherent in the more conventional magnetic-confinement designs is very interesting approach. I don't have the expertise required to judge competently whether it'll scale to sustainable commercial viability.

I'll try and do a little overview of what I'd call the commercial frontrunners:

Commonwealth: US uses a magnetic containment reactor, tokmak without a torus or stellarator.

General Fusion: Canada/UK: magnetized target, liquid metal compression system remarkable steampunk thingy.

Helion: US hybrid inertial confinement/magnetic confinement system.

Lawrenceville Plasma Physics: US. crowd funded/invested. "Dense plasma focus" aneutronic reactor. p-11B

Lockheed-Martin Skunk Works: US. Looks like a polywell hybrid. Supposedly on their fifth reactor iteration.

TAE: US . Field-reversed containment. massive funding. aneutronic reactor. p-11B

Tokamak Energy: UK. Hit 100 million Celsius last month.

ZAP Energy: US/UK uses a z-pinch machine.



I'm going to assume EMC2 (polywell) is dormant, if not completely out of business,
 
I'll reiterate what Daniel Jassby wrote in 2017 about D-T and D-D fusion reactors:
Earth-bound fusion reactors that burn neutron-rich isotopes have byproducts that are anything but harmless: Energetic neutron streams comprise 80 percent of the fusion energy output of deuterium-tritium reactions and 35 percent of deuterium-deuterium reactions.

Now, an energy source consisting of 80 percent energetic neutron streams may be the perfect neutron source, but it’s truly bizarre that it would ever be hailed as the ideal electrical energy source. In fact, these neutron streams lead directly to four regrettable problems with nuclear energy: radiation damage to structures; radioactive waste; the need for biological shielding; and the potential for the production of weapons-grade plutonium 239—thus adding to the threat of nuclear weapons proliferation, not lessening it, as fusion proponents would have it.

In addition, if fusion reactors are indeed feasible—as assumed here—they would share some of the other serious problems that plague fission reactors, including tritium release, daunting coolant demands, and high operating costs. There will also be additional drawbacks that are unique to fusion devices: the use of a fuel (tritium) that is not found in nature and must be replenished by the reactor itself; and unavoidable on-site power drains that drastically reduce the electric power available for sale.
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To sum up, fusion reactors face some unique problems: a lack of a natural fuel supply (tritium), and large and irreducible electrical energy drains to offset. Because 80 percent of the energy in any reactor fueled by deuterium and tritium appears in the form of neutron streams, it is inescapable that such reactors share many of the drawbacks of fission reactors—including the production of large masses of radioactive waste and serious radiation damage to reactor components. These problems are endemic to any type of fusion reactor fueled with deuterium-tritium, so abandoning tokamaks for some other confinement concept can provide no relief.

If reactors can be made to operate using only deuterium fuel, then the tritium replenishment issue vanishes and neutron radiation damage is alleviated. But the other drawbacks remain—and reactors requiring only deuterium fueling will have greatly enhanced nuclear weapons proliferation potential.

These impediments—together with the colossal capital outlay and several additional disadvantages shared with fission reactors—will make fusion reactors more demanding to construct and operate, or reach economic practicality, than any other type of electrical energy generator.

The harsh realities of fusion belie the claims of its proponents of “unlimited, clean, safe and cheap energy.” Terrestrial fusion energy is not the ideal energy source extolled by its boosters, but to the contrary: It’s something to be shunned.
Fusion reactors: Not what they’re cracked up to be - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (thebulletin.org)

The aneutronic pB-11 TAE looks interesting but I think it's a lot further off than some of the others. Any reactor that uses tritium as a fuel or that generates large numbers of neutrons seems intrinsically problematic to me. I'm sure there may well be engineering solutions but how much is being glossed over to sustain investment?

Again, I'm a sceptic with not enough deep knowledge of this subject.
 
I'll reiterate what Daniel Jassby wrote in 2017 about D-T and D-D fusion reactors:

Fusion reactors: Not what they’re cracked up to be - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (thebulletin.org)

The aneutronic pB-11 TAE looks interesting but I think it's a lot further off than some of the others. Any reactor that uses tritium as a fuel or that generates large numbers of neutrons seems intrinsically problematic to me. I'm sure there may well be engineering solutions but how much is being glossed over to sustain investment?

Again, I'm a sceptic with not enough deep knowledge of this subject.

The NRC document dealt a little with the tritium topic. The main issue on that would be to make sure it does not get into open exhaust. Otherwise concrete, polystyrene and metal hydride shielding should be enough at the reactor room. None of them expected abnormal levels at the fence line.

As far as Jassby, it's not the first time he's tried to do a hatchet job on the fusion industry, and he's been discredited before. He accused Helion of practicing "voodoo fusion" and claimed to the American Physical Society that Helion had never completed a fusion reaction. In doing so he either ignored or was unaware of published papers to the contrary by Helion going back several years. A quick google search finds his name often as a professional fusion skeptic, albeit one who clearly does not do his homework. In fairness he's been retired the last 23 years, and the field has changed rapidly in that time. Hiring him to write about fusion is like asking the ghost of Samuel Langley about the aerial combat in World War I.
 
Oh well, we only have a few years to wait if the optimists are correct. Any idea why Jassby has an axe to grind or is it just grumpy old man syndrome? I turned down a job at JET 40 years ago and haven't really kept up with how the technologies have developed since. I'm even more out of touch. It's not a subject one can lightly skim.
 
Oh well, we only have a few years to wait if the optimists are correct. Any idea why Jassby has an axe to grind or is it just grumpy old man syndrome? I turned down a job at JET 40 years ago and haven't really kept up with how the technologies have developed since. I'm even more out of touch. It's not a subject one can lightly skim.
I am not really sure why he feels like that, but that odd kind of luddism within the sciences and engineering is nothing new. People get set in their ways.

In aerospace there was a huge amount of "it will never work" nonsense said about SpaceX until they started flying hardware. "They'll never launch Falcon I, They'll never launch Falcon 9. First stage recovery is impossible. FIrst stage recovery is a stunt. It's not economical. They won't get more than two uses out of each booster. I've done the numbers. Falcon 9 Heavy will break up in flight. Starship is a pipe dream.." and of course those people just quietly blend into the background afterwards.

I think it is even worse with nuclear fusion because of all the setbacks and unrealistic expectations set in the past. It's become a knee jerk reaction. Obviously Jassby is smarter than that, but he may have the academian predisposition to put all his hopes in ITER.

JET's been reaching some interesting results, lately. It's definately providing a lot of info that will be useful for ITER when it finally gets underway.
 
Commercially viable nuclear fusion for electricity generation is a really difficult thing to achieve. The engineering challenges are enormous. I thoroughly respect anyone who can make it work.
 
I'll reiterate what Daniel Jassby wrote in 2017 about D-T and D-D fusion reactors:

Fusion reactors: Not what they’re cracked up to be - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (thebulletin.org)

The aneutronic pB-11 TAE looks interesting but I think it's a lot further off than some of the others. Any reactor that uses tritium as a fuel or that generates large numbers of neutrons seems intrinsically problematic to me. I'm sure there may well be engineering solutions but how much is being glossed over to sustain investment?

Again, I'm a sceptic with
not enough deep knowledge of this subject.
Thanks for the enlightening link.
 
Thanks for the enlightening link.
There seems to be doubt about how up-to-date or biased Jassby is in his criticisms. Of course, those who seek to discredit him might well be anxious about losing lucrative funding. I don't know enough about the current state of fusion reactor engineering to be able to judge one way or the other. I have a suspicion, but nothing more, that both sides are overstating their cases, presenting evidence that favours their views and ignoring evidence that doesn't. Only time will tell...
 
Well, I can’t help but wonder if the folks who put that bulletin out want us back in the caves…While I wasn’t a LaRouche fan—the old 21st Century Science and Technology mag had Steve Howe and pro-NTR articles in it at least. All publishers have some axe to grind.
 
Neutrons are tricky buggers from which to extract energy directly to heat water to drive steam turbines. Better avoided unless you really are after a neutron source. Not as frustratingly difficult as neutrinos though.
 
As much as I want Fusion to be the next great thing.

Next Gen Fission needs to get kicked into high gear to solve our Baseline Power requirements.

Poland is the first to start using NuScale SMR (Small Modular Reactors)
I'm hoping NuScale SMR meets it's claims and becomes affordable / mass produce-able / scalable around the globe like it says it could.

I also want Thorium based Molten Salt Reactors to start going online to turn existing Nuclear Waste that have half-lives in the millions of years and uses those waste in the Molten Salt mix to down convert the waste into a manage-able Nuclear Waste with half-lives in the 100-300 year range.

Then Long Term Nuclear Waste storage becomes far more manageable when you have half-life's in that smaller time frame.
 
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