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Captain Tuvok

Then they kill him 4 episodes later, replace him with a pretender, and want us to forget that it's not the Harry we started with.
 
Yes, and it was 4 episodes after "Dreadnought" which I thought you meant at the time, but later realized you might have meant "Warhead", which is much later in 5th season and therefore Impostor Harry.

I'm starting to feel like I'm being cross-examined here. :shifty:
 
You know what would be hilarious. If the crew held a memorial for Tuvix one year after he was turned into Tuvok and Neelix.
The memorial better known to the entire crew of course as ...
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Then they kill him 4 episodes later, replace him with a pretender, and want us to forget that it's not the Harry we started with.
If there had been a eighth season, Harry's freeze dried corpse would have been
reanimated by the Kobali,and the really Harry would have returned to the ship.
 
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If it was such a big deal, there were a few opportunities where ReallyHarry could have been rescued such as Shattered or Relativity...

Hell.

In Shattered, Chakotay actually had a spee...

CHAKOTAY: Harry designed it, or will design it.
JANEWAY: Harry Kim?
CHAKOTAY: I realise from your perspective he's new to the job, but he's going to become one of our best people.

Well it's not glowing but they're looking at ReallyHarry and talking about ReallynotHarry.

B'Elanna also died and replaced in Faces, and I'm not completely sold on the Tuvok that came out the other side of the Tuvix debacle.

CHAKOTAY: It's not what, it's who. People like Seven of Nine, a Borg Drone who'll become a member of this crew after you help her recover her humanity, or Tom Paris, a former convict who'll be our pilot, chief medic, and husband to B'Elanna Torres.
JANEWAY: That angry woman I just met?
CHAKOTAY: She's going to be your Chief Engineer. Two crews, Maquis and Starfleet, are going to become one and they'll make as big a mark on the Delta Quadrant as it'll make on them by protecting people like the Ocampans, curing diseases, encouraging peace. Children like Naomi and Icheb are going to grow up on this ship and call it home, and we'll all be following a Captain who sets a course for Earth and never stops believing that we'll get there.

And why didn't chuckles point out the 40 or so extra's who were going to die during their transit tot he DQ to their Captain, if he was so intent on being honst about everything.
 
And why didn't chuckles point out the 40 or so extra's who were going to die during their transit tot he DQ to their Captain, if he was so intent on being honst about everything.

It was pure self interest. Wrapped up in a pretty package of children and rescued orphans to get her to buy it. 40 people might die on voyager, but his entire crew were goners if she didn't get her ship stuck out there as well. He was goners cause who has any belief that chaks would be able to get home?

And she fell for it.
 
If the Val Jean was alone, without Janeway, and maybe without Neelix... Caretaker would have asked Chakotay if he wanted to Caretake the Ocampa after he died in the next 4 to 5 minutes or so.

Maybe Chakotay could have signed up?

Looking after the Ocampans, and getting the Kazon to push off while setting up a small colony on Ocampa underpinned from technology of the array, and financed by the formerly kazon mining concern, if they get to live in peace on a home not trapped inbetween the Federation and Cardassian War machines seems like a small price to pay.
 
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Oh yeah Chak would totally get into the benevolent sugar daddy role for the Ocampans.

Ugh. I am sick of listening to him talk about it after three minutes in my head.
 
I'm watching Grand Budapest Hotel.

The meaning of life as it seems has been and must always be the maintaince of a contiguous supply of "Whores and Whiskey" and that that will never change.

Of the mostly Human Caretakers rooted to that planet thereafter, they would evidently eventually find themselves sexually involved, if not maybe romantically involved with an abundance of desirable Ocampa who they're supposed to be shepherding, which is understandable... But consider how many dozens of different generations over the course of their lengthy mostly human lifetimes, that these Alpha Quadratian refugees might find the possibility of canoodling with pleasantly, when there is almost an unavoidable risk of their great, great, great grand children hitting on them in a darkened night club in the underbelly orf that underground city.

:)

The problem with Chakotay accepting the job is that while he is oblivious to the subtext of his life, Tuvok and Seska will go to war deciding how the Indian will become Master of the Delta Quadrant...

Oh.

B'Elanna and Tuvok have twice to three times the life span of a human being, but considering that the Starfleet Spy was already into triple digits, it is she who will wind up being alone as the last remaining crewman from the ill fated Val Jean, warding over generation after generation of idiot elves, for at least a century past the penultimate expiration of all her other former terrorist cohorts.
 
If Tuvok got a red-shouldered uniform and four pips, no one would have questioned him. Nothing says "temporary captain, don't worry fans this will all be fixed soon" like being captain for weeks (months?) and still wearing your old security uniform.
 
I'm watching Grand Budapest Hotel.

You're lucky, I am watching Extant.

Surely a human or longer living species would get bored of the Ocampa? I was bored of them every time I saw them and I'm not trapped on a rock with them. Having romances and babies and sex with them, they would be just disposable since the time from them being technically adults to decrepfied and almost dead is only a few years. They'd be like fast food, you wouldn't be able to remember their names after a decade of it. And if you actually were attached to them you'd be all broken after a while because they keep dying, I almost feel like that about cats and they last a lot longer.
 
How many Ocampa do you think died as Caretaker tried to make babies with before he finally gave up and started using his Pan-Galactic Tractor beam like Tinder?

The horror behind this plot is an unending Christmas present.

...

I have fallen asleep every time I have tried to watch each new Extant.

This is not a joke or an exaggeration.

Maybe it's bad luck, but it's also a perfect score.
 
I'm about to finish the fourth episode, I fell asleep half way through it last night, but I'd watched them all at once.

The annoying things about it are the smoooothness, everything is very clean, very smooth, nothing gritty in the streets or houses or cars or people, Halle Berry is poured out of a beautiful person mold and smooooooth.. I blame Spielberg for this.
 
Goran is so fricking smug that I want to set him on fire.

Last year, he was quite fun as a crimelord in Red Widow exerting leverage, but that was then and this is now.

At least after this, he will stop having Nightmares about how his name is still attached to Elektra.
 
He's too tall.

Tom Cruise could stand on Tom Cruise's shoulders and still not come up to Goran's square chin.
 
Is he? I didn't notice.

Also the pace of this show picks up dramatically. By ep 4 everything is turned upside down. It is no longer happening in slow motion.
 
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