Captain Pike spin off petition

[seigezunt]

As in the case of my feelings about The Picard Show (be careful what you wish for if it involves TNG) I'm going to hazard a guess that if you want a Pike show in part because you hate DSC and want it to go, I suspect you will be both disappointed by DSC's lack of disappearing, and ultimately enraged by what they do with the Pike show, if it happens. It's not like they will be busing in a completely and utterly different production team.

 

[Pauln6]

I'm going to hazard a guess that if you want a Pike show in part because you hate DSC and want it to go, I suspect you will be both disappointed by DSC's lack of disappearing, and ultimately enraged by what they do with the Pike show, if it happens. It's not like they will be busing in a completely and utterly different production team.

I'll take that chance ;-p

 

[fireproof78]

I'm going to hazard a guess that if you want a Pike show in part because you hate DSC and want it to go, I suspect you will be both disappointed by DSC's lack of disappearing, and ultimately enraged by what they do with the Pike show, if it happens. It's not like they will be busing in a completely and utterly different production team.

Grass is always greener.

 

[Mudd]

When one is dissatisfied, of course it is.

That aphorism's only meaningful if one is at risk of exchanging something of value for a hypothetical improvement. Not a problem in this case.

 

[Starflight]

I'm going to hazard a guess that if you want a Pike show in part because you hate DSC and want it to go, I suspect you will be both disappointed by DSC's lack of disappearing, and ultimately enraged by what they do with the Pike show, if it happens. It's not like they will be busing in a completely and utterly different production team.

Well, the writers have at the very least proven they can write a compelling character in Pike. I'd say they've also shown promise in writing the sort of relatively self-contained stories that a Pike series might feature.

With all the behind-the-scenes personnel changes, it seems like we're still not really sure what the Discovery team are capable of when they've got a clean slate to work with, and aren't inheriting Fuller's vision, or seemingly dead-end plot threads, or spore drives, or half-finished time travel plots or whatever else.

And above all else, even if they totally botched it, Anson Mount could save the day. Every episode could be just a 50 minute shot of Anson Mount sitting still in the captain's chair while people walk around in the background and it'd be time well spent.

 

[Mudd]

If what people seem to think is going to happen this week happens, the writers next year will certainly have to go in a new direction. In the 28th century they won't be able to fall back continually on TOS fan service.

 

[Rahul]

While I absolutely adore Anson Mount's Pike - I'm not convinced a Pike-show would be a good idea.

It would essentially be a reboot of DIS at this point - and just another prequel show to TOS. There is no value in the concept of a Pike-show, that can't be done compelling with season 3 or 4 of DIS.

And to be quite honest - at this point I'm rather sick of reboots and prequels, and this show would be another attempt at both(!) of that at the same time....

 

[seigezunt]

It would essentially be a reboot of DIS at this point

How so?

 

[zar]

When one is dissatisfied, of course it is.

That aphorism's only meaningful if one is at risk of exchanging something of value for a hypothetical improvement. Not a problem in this case.

Well, no, "grass is greener" is about perfectionism. It's not necessarily exchanging something, in general it's about failing to appreciate what is real in favor of an imaginary better ideal. It exactly fits the attitude of Trek fans who are never satisfied and always chasing their ideal version of Star Trek that has no actual definition and never really existed.

 

[Mudd]

Well, no, "grass is greener" is about perfectionism. It's not necessarily exchanging something, in general it's about failing to appreciate what is real in favor of an imaginary better ideal.

Which is only material if a choice must be made.

If one can play on both lawns as one pleases, there is no "other side."

 

[Amasov]

I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, and I'm sure that it's been mentioned already but...there's no reason that a Pike series would have to be set after the events in Discovery.

Without straining credulity too much regarding the actors' apparent ages, it could be set at the beginning a few years before "current" events. If they felt the need to address Pike and Spock's absence at some point, that could be done over the course of one or two episodes a season or two into the show - none of these shows really takes place in constant "real time" anyway. Given episodes of just about any Trek series vary from occupying a few hours to (in extreme cases) weeks or months of the characters' experiences.

If STD has established that the Enterprise was kept away from the Klingon war and that this frustrated the crew - so much the better. That's front-loaded story material at some point during the series.

They're not really butting up against an arbitrary "expiration season" for Pike.

Agreed. I had a similar feeling about doing a series around Georgiou. While it's nice (I suppose) to have a series with her mirror counterpart as the lead, there's no reason why we couldn't see a series set around the time we saw her as a lieutenant in THE BRIGHTEST STAR or, hell, even when she first took command on the Shenzou. I don't think it was fully-established that Saru joined her on that ship the day she took command of it and Michael most certainly didn't. There could always be a good slice of time in there somewhere to look at.

A Pike series set at that time could give us the chance to finally meet Robert April in a live action production, too. I have to assume April was present for Pike to transfer command to her.

 

[fireproof78]

When one is dissatisfied, of course it is.

That aphorism's only meaningful if one is at risk of exchanging something of value for a hypothetical improvement. Not a problem in this case.

Not really accurate. It demonstrates that dissatisfaction with DSC leads to wishing for anything else that might be better, even though it likely will not be what we actually want. The value of one Star Trek series over another is entirely subjective. The value of a hypothetical one is completely arbitrary and unobtainable.

 

[BillJ]

I always wanted a Picard on the Stargazer series.

 

[TrickyDickie]

 

[zar]

Which is only material if a choice must be made.

If one can play on both lawns as one pleases, there is no "other side."

You know, you're talking about an imaginary scenario where the green-grass effect doesn't apply, and in doing so are demonstrating it yourself. The point is, by the time any new "lawn" is reached it's not fulfilling. There is always another "other side", which they never reach, but always imagine they will. You're imagining they will. So far, they haven't. If/when the Pike show (or Picard show) happens, we'll see.

 

[Rahul]

Agreed. I had a similar feeling about doing a series around Georgiou. While it's nice (I suppose) to have a series with her mirror counterpart as the lead, there's no reason why we couldn't see a series set around the time we saw her as a lieutenant in THE BRIGHTEST STAR or, hell, even when she first took command on the Shenzou. I don't think it was fully-established that Saru joined her on that ship the day she took command of it and Michael most certainly didn't. There could always be a good slice of time in there somewhere to look at.

A Pike series set at that time could give us the chance to finally meet Robert April in a live action production, too. I have to assume April was present for Pike to transfer command to her.

I think the problem with that, would be that Anson Mount decided to infuse his performance with a type of swagger and respect for his duty - which was obviously more inspired by Shatner than Jeffrey Hunter.

Now, in the "present" that makes sens - "The Cage" was a time in the past, where he was in deep self-doubt. But obiously until "now", Pike has found new meaning in his service as a Starfleet Captain. And that all worked wonderfull.

But going back in time, would essentially mean for him to go back, and play the cold, emotional distanced version of Pike. And I don't think that would have resonated as much with audiences. Also, you would run into a ton of continuity problems, with Klingons now having to appear in their season 1 form again, no D7 etc. etc.

No, if they're going the Cpt. Pike route - a classic "sequel" to DIS would be the only reasonable approach shot of a new reboot.

 

[XCV330]

I think the problem with that, would be that Anson Mount decided to infuse his performance with a type of swagger and respect for his duty - which was obviously more inspired by Shatner than Jeffrey Hunter.

Hunter didn't give enough of a performance to base much from. I meant that in terms of duration. I don't like picking on the dead and everyone will have their own opinion about his performance. It IS fair to say he never had further chances to refine the role. So for a retcon to why Mount's "Pike" is more Kirk-like than Hunter's Pike: it's a few years since the initial Talos expedition and Pike has clearly grown as a captain. He's developed a little swagger and a lot more confidence. Kirk took the command from Pike and some of his mannerism's may have been subconsciously or even purposefully adopted from the Fleet Captain.

 

[Mudd]

You know, you're talking about an imaginary scenario where the green-grass effect doesn't apply, and in doing so are demonstrating it yourself.

 

[Amasov]

I think the problem with that, would be that Anson Mount decided to infuse his performance with a type of swagger and respect for his duty - which was obviously more inspired by Shatner than Jeffrey Hunter.

Now, in the "present" that makes sens - "The Cage" was a time in the past, where he was in deep self-doubt. But obiously until "now", Pike has found new meaning in his service as a Starfleet Captain. And that all worked wonderfull.

But going back in time, would essentially mean for him to go back, and play the cold, emotional distanced version of Pike. And I don't think that would have resonated as much with audiences. Also, you would run into a ton of continuity problems, with Klingons now having to appear in their season 1 form again, no D7 etc. etc.

No, if they're going the Cpt. Pike route - a classic "sequel" to DIS would be the only reasonable approach shot of a new reboot.

Yeah, agreed! My preference would be a sequel to the events of Discovery.

 

[Amasov]

Hunter didn't give enough of a performance to base much from. I meant that in terms of duration. I don't like picking on the dead and everyone will have their own opinion about his performance. It IS fair to say he never had further chances to refine the role. So for a retcon to why Mount's "Pike" is more Kirk-like than Hunter's Pike: it's a few years since the initial Talos expedition and Pike has clearly grown as a captain. He's developed a little swagger and a lot more confidence. Kirk took the command from Pike and some of his mannerism's may have been subconsciously or even purposefully adopted from the Fleet Captain.

When we first saw him in THE CAGE he was burned out and clearly suffering from the events on Rigel VII. But, once it was over, it seemed to me that Pike was starting to get a second wind. So by the time we meet up with him on Discovery, he's rekindled his love for the captaincy. I think Pike's mood from the events of Rigel VII just resulted in him having a rough couple of days.

I really have to hand it to Mount for his performance. Hunter may have originated the character, but it was Mount who really injected life into Captain Pike. He had very little to go on, so the character was practically a clean slate.