Spoilers Captain Marvel - Grading & Discussion

[Jax]

*pops into the thread*

Yep the same sexist assholes still here

*pops out*

 

[crookeddy]

Loki stole Lady Sif's body for a few issues of a few comics years ago, then gave it up. It was a minor plot point, not exactly the same thing as Jane Thorster. Loki only did it to fuck with Thor, part of a plan to actually kill Lady Sif by trapping her in a dying old human woman when all the Asgardians came back after Ragnarok (this was in JMS's excellent, but sadly fairly short, Thor run).

Yup, I read it. Can confirm that it was good.

 

[crookeddy]

Anyway, having a fake Mar-Vell doesn't really bother me, because the character of Mar-Vell was always pretty shit. Its just funny how pointless it was, but the whole movie is a giant "fuck you" to Carol Danvers and every version of Marvel's Captain Marvel anyway, so a pointless gender swap is the least of its issues.

It's a feminist movie, and it wears it on it's sleeve. With that, it wouldn't do to have a male role model for Carol. The change isn't pointless, it was necessary for the type of movie that they decided to make.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Lady Thor was the best thing to ever happen to Thor comics. Both for Jane Foster and Odinson as characters.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Loki's been gender and species fluid since the Viking age

 

[Spot261]

So, a character from the version of Sherlock Holmes that nobody cares about, and a character from the version of Lost In Space that is probably the third most popular version of the show, somehow justify a random Mar-Vell gender swap? The 13th Doctor is fairly mediocre, but thats more down to the godawful writing and at least The Doctor getting gender swapped made sense and could work if the character wasn't written by a moron.

Anyway, having a fake Mar-Vell doesn't really bother me, because the character of Mar-Vell was always pretty shit. Its just funny how pointless it was, but the whole movie is a giant "fuck you" to Carol Danvers and every version of Marvel's Captain Marvel anyway, so a pointless gender swap is the least of its issues.

If you don't like any of the examples (which seemingly renders them meaningless) and you don't like Mar-Vell either then the logical conclusion is that Mar-Vell is also meaningless and thus there's no reason for you to care either way surely?

Problem solved.

 

[Spot261]

It's a feminist movie, and it wears it on it's sleeve. With that, it wouldn't do to have a male role model for Carol. The change isn't pointless, it was necessary for the type of movie that they decided to make.

Correct.

Probably shouldn't have actually needed explaining, but glad you did.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Lady Thor was the best thing to ever happen to Thor comics. Both for Jane Foster and Odinson as characters.

IMO, Thor's best years were the Journey into Mystery / first few years after the title transition into Thor period (1962-66) when the character and his world seemed truly foreign and unique. Then again, that might have something to do with the Marvel universe of that period not being overpopulated, so Thor as a character could stand out.

 

[Spot261]

IMO, Thor's best years were the Journey into Mystery / first few years after the title transition into Thor period (1962-66) when the character and his world seemed truly foreign and unique. Then again, that might have something to do with the Marvel universe of that period not being overpopulated, so Thor as a character could stand out.

I think it's fair to say those were the years which cemented the popularity of the character and with good reason, but there's only so long you can maintain a formula before it benefits from being mixed up a bit.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Finally saw it today. Enjoyed it, but it felt so... reactionary. Not as good or inspiring as Wonder Woman.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And people were upset about Starbuck and Boomer too.

Boomer, Tigh and Athena.

Did not notice these switcheroos till I Borrowed the TOS DVDs years after the fact.

 

[Gov Kodos]

No, it wouldn't be crazy. It would be a very shitty comic, and it was, but it obviously happened.

As always, your opinions are ridiculously hyperbolic and laughably inane for their wrongheaded belief that spewing outrage constitutes substantive reasoning.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Yes, I would rather forget the DCEU ever happened. Now Goose, there's a topic worth discussing.

I sure as frak DON'T want it to, and with the recent successes of Wonder Woman and Aquaman (and the possible upcoming success of Shazam!), hopefully the DCEU will be around for a while on movie screens (there's no need for DC/Warners to slavishly imitate the MCU in tone 'just because' people like that tone for a superhero picture, and Justice League had a few funny snarky quipy moments, especially the battle with the revived Superman and the bit where Aquaman was spilling his guts out unaware that Wonder Woman's lasso was around him.)

 

[Awesome Possum]

I sure as frak DON'T want it to, and with the recent successes of Wonder Woman and Aquaman (and the possible upcoming success of Shazam!), hopefully the DCEU will be around for a while on movie screens (there's no need for DC/Warners to slavishly imitate the MCU in tone 'just because' people like that tone for a superhero picture, and Justice League had a few funny snarky quipy moments, especially the battle with the revived Superman and the bit where Aquaman was spilling his guts out unaware that Wonder Woman's lasso was around him.)

Good for you.

 

[stj]

Voted C. Could not get very into the movie because cartoon Fury just didn't work for me. Shockingly enough, cartoon Coulson was even worse.

This is very much like The Matrix, where the very special hero doesn't really trigger the action, whose inevitable victory was foreordained by a script apotheosis. In Captain Marvel, the role of the Oracle is taken by the Supreme Intelligence, who sent Carol Danvers on the mission precisely so she could be captured and have her memory restored by the Skrulls. And that's why in the ultimate confrontation she merely goads Carol Danvers until Danvers rebels by removing the control chip. The great rebellion against an unjust war presumably is the Supreme Intelligence subverting her programming to direct operations to achieve Kree goals, like annihilation of the Skrulls, by indirectly creating an opponent. The mystery of why Carol Danvers becomes the Tesseract instead of being blasted by an explosion is like Neo being born the One who can resurrect himself. At movie's end, it's just what the script said. As a MacGuffin, "light speed engine" isn't very good either. It doesn't really sound like a thing that makes any difference given the FX of spaceships flying through hexagons to go light years. On the other hand, most people enjoy someone quippy like Richard Dean Anderson's Col. O'Niell more than Keanu Reeves' Everycubicledrone, in a light hearted, laugh and forget about it kind of way. (Which includes me, this isn't a knock.)

It was a little off both Maria Rambeau and her daughter (!) didn't seem to have a life outside of adoring Carol Danvers. This is one of the few times when a hint of woman/woman should been made, so perversely they don't. The irony! The girl is a little too precocious.

 

[Tosk]

Boomer, Tigh and Athena.

Tigh and Athena weren't gender-swapped. Let's not add the messiness of race-swapping to this thread too.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Tigh and Athena weren't gender-swapped. Let's not add the messiness of race-swapping to this thread too.

Spoiler

They were species-swapped....

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Spoiler

They were species-swapped....

Burn it to the ground! Worst series ever! How could they?!

What's that? I'm a decade late?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Captain Marvel expected to hit the 1 billion dollar mark today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...-marvel-to-top-1-billion-worldwide-today/amp/

 

[crookeddy]

Voted C. Could not get very into the movie because cartoon Fury just didn't work for me. Shockingly enough, cartoon Coulson was even worse.

This is very much like The Matrix, where the very special hero doesn't really trigger the action, whose inevitable victory was foreordained by a script apotheosis. In Captain Marvel, the role of the Oracle is taken by the Supreme Intelligence, who sent Carol Danvers on the mission precisely so she could be captured and have her memory restored by the Skrulls. And that's why in the ultimate confrontation she merely goads Carol Danvers until Danvers rebels by removing the control chip. The great rebellion against an unjust war presumably is the Supreme Intelligence subverting her programming to direct operations to achieve Kree goals, like annihilation of the Skrulls, by indirectly creating an opponent. The mystery of why Carol Danvers becomes the Tesseract instead of being blasted by an explosion is like Neo being born the One who can resurrect himself. At movie's end, it's just what the script said. As a MacGuffin, "light speed engine" isn't very good either. It doesn't really sound like a thing that makes any difference given the FX of spaceships flying through hexagons to go light years. On the other hand, most people enjoy someone quippy like Richard Dean Anderson's Col. O'Niell more than Keanu Reeves' Everycubicledrone, in a light hearted, laugh and forget about it kind of way. (Which includes me, this isn't a knock.)

It was a little off both Maria Rambeau and her daughter (!) didn't seem to have a life outside of adoring Carol Danvers. This is one of the few times when a hint of woman/woman should been made, so perversely they don't. The irony! The girl is a little too precocious.

Wow, you come to the weirdest conclusions about things...