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Captain Marvel (2019)

Anwar said:
And yet she retained a heroic persona? Either they forgot she wasn't heroic to start with and only changed due to Carol, or she was so permanently changed even being "cleansed" wouldn't revert her mind.
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I haven't read the actual story where it happened, but all the references I've seen to it in other comics implied she turned good because Xavier helped her see the light while he also helped her deal with Carol's personality in her head. Not that she was just irredeemably evil until carol's goodness rubbed off on her. Hell, they even used the carol personality in her head as an evil villain that had to be stopped once, so how would that track with it being the only source of her goodness?
 
^ Having read the stories, that's my interpretation as well. She was a confused person that was easily influenced prior to that, but she wasn't inherently evil.

Turtletrekker said:
You know what? I remember that too!
*Checks X-Men omnibus*
Yup, confirmed. The Hope Summers thing must have been yet another reset.
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I know she has Wonder Man's powers now, so I wouldn't be surprised if she lost Carol's powers around the time you're talking about.
 
And one can forgive Rogue for growing up with a slightly warped worldview given that she was raised by Mystique. But once she separated herself from Mystique and her indoctrination, she was a better person for it.
 
Yep. Part of it was Mystique's influence, and Mystique never entirely forgave Rogue for joining the X-Men (she initially thought Xavier was manipulating Rogue to defect). Part of it was the fear that having Carol's psyche stuck in her mind would drive her completely insane, which is why she made the difficult choice to ask Xavier for help. Even the thought of helping Rogue at the time was distasteful enough that several X-Men - Wolverine, Storm and Nightcrawler especially - threatened to leave, but eventually they accepted Rogue and helped her reform into a true hero. She and Carol have even reconciled to some degree, in spite of their painful history.
 
Turtletrekker said:
The green costume is now comics canon!:lol:

I can't wait to see certain reactions to this news...:lol:

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/25/captain-marvel-costume-mcu-comics-canon/
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Its a shot of the multiverse, you can tell because Marvel zombies is included (well, Marvel characters as zombies at least, probably not the specific ones from the various minis, but still). Also, a recolored DC Comics Captain Marvel is visible on the right, or at least his arm and leg are. The tracing of Bree Larson isn't canon to the main universe, and neither is that shot of comic Carol in a white/green suit (at most, that might be a future event). Its an alternate universe thing. Nice try, though.
 
kirk55555 said:
Its a shot of the multiverse, you can tell because Marvel zombies is included (well, Marvel characters as zombies at least, probably not the specific ones from the various minis, but still). Also, a recolored DC Comics Captain Marvel is visible on the right, or at least his arm and leg are. The tracing of Bree Larson isn't canon to the main universe, and neither is that shot of comic Carol in a white/green suit (at most, that might be a future event). Its an alternate universe thing. Nice try, though.
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Yep. No biggie.

It would have been nice to see CM wear the original helmet from the Marvel Super Heroes debut. It was both alien and throwback in design.
 
kirk55555 said:
Its a shot of the multiverse, you can tell because Marvel zombies is included (well, Marvel characters as zombies at least, probably not the specific ones from the various minis, but still). Also, a recolored DC Comics Captain Marvel is visible on the right, or at least his arm and leg are. The tracing of Bree Larson isn't canon to the main universe, and neither is that shot of comic Carol in a white/green suit (at most, that might be a future event). Its an alternate universe thing. Nice try, though.
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But isn't the movie just an "alternate universe thing" relative to the comic? What's the difference to despise one and not the other?
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
But isn't the movie just an "alternate universe thing" relative to the comic? What's the difference to despise one and not the other?
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It means its still illegitimate. The real Carol Danvers of Earth 616 never wore the costume, because its not a real costume. Her costume is 100% hers, the Kree never wore it. That fake costume is specifically a fuck you to the comics and the characterby the makers of the film. She's no longer her own person, she's a kree lackey. Implying that the movies are a universe in the multiverse doesn't change that. Batman was a vampire in an elseworlds story, but if he starts sucking people's blood in a DCEU movie its still wrong and not true to the character or comics in general.
 
kirk55555 said:
Her costume is 100% hers, the Kree never wore it. [...] She's no longer her own person, she's a kree lackey.
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Sorry, I might not totally get what your saying here and I know I missed some context but Carol
s original Ms Marvel costume was directly derived from Mar-Vell's costume which was the uniform of a Kree officer with the permanent rank of Captain, so it's presumably just the female version of it, so in a way, yes kinda. I know that it's a different costume from both the movie and the comics one, but still, I just wanted to mention that.

EDIT: Well, shit Nery Myk already said all that. Carry on, nothing to see here.
 
kirk55555 said:
It means its still illegitimate. The real Carol Danvers of Earth 616 never wore the costume, because its not a real costume. Her costume is 100% hers, the Kree never wore it. That fake costume is specifically a fuck you to the comics and the characterby the makers of the film. .
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Sigh. The movies are their own thing--and just as "legitimate" as the original comics versions. It's not a fuck-you to the comics or the fans or any such nonsense.. The movies are inspired by the comics, sure, but they're not required to be 100% accurate to the source material, because it's a different medium aimed at a much larger audience. Nothing to get angry about or take personally. That's just how it works.

And, honestly, when you're talking about a character like Carol Danvers, whose comic-book history is convoluted to say the least, of course they're going to have to streamline her origin in a big way. Otherwise it would be an incoherent mess that would completely baffle the average moviegoer.

Any time you have to boil forty-years of complicated comic-book history down to a two-hour movie with a beginning, middle, and end, you're going to have nip and tuck things here and there. That's not a fuck-you to the comics; it's just practicality.

EDIT: The comic-book version has had at least four different costumes to date (counting her "Binary" phase). No way is the movie obliged to acknowledge that, let alone display them in the right order. :)
 
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It seems like even a lot of comics fans have trouble following Carol Danvers' history, and it has to be seriously complicated and insane for that to happen. Was it Carol or Mantis who gave birth to her own rapist?
 
I still can't wrap my mind around how any writer would think that's an interesting storyline...and that an editor okayed it. What the fuck? :wtf: :barf:
 
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