Captain Marvel (2019)

[Turtletrekker]

Well, "co-starring" came from the announcement tweet, and I thought that I qualified that by saying that SLJ was "said to be" co-starring. I'm hoping for an Avengers/Winter Soldier size role. Something mentor-ish that will lead Carol to that "larger world", similar to what he did with Tony.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Well, "co-starring" came from the announcement tweet, and I thought that I qualified that by saying that SLJ was "said to be" co-starring. I'm hoping for an Avengers/Winter Soldier size role. Something mentor-ish that will lead Carol to that "larger world", similar to what he did with Tony.

Ah, fair enough. I missed the tweet and misread your post. Didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you, just trying to clarify on the point.

 

[JD]

I'm happy to Sam Jackson will be back, I'm a big fan of him and his version of Nick Fury. I like the idea of him being the mentor figure who helps Carol become a superhero.

 

[Guy Gardener]

What?

I don't want young Carol who's as dumb as young Spider-Man asking stupid questions about how/why he should do the right thing.

Carol spent 10ish years in the Air-Force.

All that morality shit should be buttoned down.

She is a soldier.

Or is this, not that movie?

Is Carol a dip shit reporter working for J Jonah Jameson who lucks into powers during the battle of New York?

Or was she one of those pilots who tried to nuke New York, and is still dealing with the guilt of missing her target?

 

[Thestral]

Fury was a mentor-ish figure in The Winter Soldier despite Cap's extended amount of experience by that point.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fury is the man with the answers.

They needed him to point them at someone to punch.

(And pay for stuff.)

Which is not the same as building their skills sets and righting their moral compasses, which is what a mentor does.

Potato, potato.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'm not sure why everyone's focused on mentorship as a 'morality' based thing. A mentor can teach someone all sorts of things.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I more interested in seeing who Carol's AA Sponsor is.

(It's Tony Stark in comics.)

 

[dahj]

(It's Tony Stark in comics.)

The only one less suited for the job in the MCU is Jessica Jones...

 

[Nerys Myk]

I more interested in seeing who Carol's AA Sponsor is.

(It's Tony Stark in comics.)

Carol's in AA?

 

[kirk55555]

I really doubt that they'll make Carol an alcoholic in the MCU. Tony isn't even officially an alcoholic in the MCU (they kind of adapted elements of the Demon in a Bottle story arc for him, but without tying anything to alcohol).

Carol's in AA?

In the comics she is. In the 90s Avengers run (Kurt Busiek as writer, I think) she started drinking a lot and eventually she tried to stop a bad guy while drunk. It did not end well, and I'm pretty sure she got kicked off of the team for awhile. Its brought up every so often, the last time I saw it mentioned was last year during the Civil War II event where she and Tony accidentally meet at an AA meeting while they're on opposite sides of the conflict (they'd both gone to an out of state one trying to avoid each other).

 

[Nerys Myk]

I really doubt that they'll make Carol an alcoholic in the MCU. Tony isn't even officially an alcoholic in the MCU (they kind of adapted elements of the Demon in a Bottle story arc for him, but without tying anything to alcohol).



In the comics she is. In the 90s Avengers run (Kurt Busiek as writer, I think) she started drinking a lot and eventually she tried to stop a bad guy while drunk. It did not end well, and I'm pretty sure she got kicked off of the team for awhile. Its brought up every so often, the last time I saw it mentioned was last year during the Civil War II event where she and Tony accidentally meet at an AA meeting while they're on opposite sides of the conflict (they'd both gone to an out of state one trying to avoid each other).

Funny, I read that run but I don't recall that plot line. Though come to think of it, I don't recall any plot lines from that run.

 

[Reverend]

The only one less suited for the job in the MCU is Jessica Jones...

Ironic considering in the comics, Carol is sort of Jessica's go-to person for support (whether Jessica likes it or not), though not because of the drink.

 

[kirk55555]

Funny, I read that run but I don't recall that plot line. Though come to think of it, I don't recall any plot lines from that run.

Apparently her being an alcoholic was a plot point that also went into Iron Man's book at the time. In Iron Man volume 3 #24, also written by Busiek, she's drunk and pissed at Tony, so she kicks him (as Iron Man) into the air and through a big passenger plane, putting all the passengers in danger of dying. So, as an alcoholic she definitely had a rough time. Eventually she joined AA if Tony as her sponsor.

 

[JD]

What?

I don't want young Carol who's as dumb as young Spider-Man asking stupid questions about how/why he should do the right thing.

Carol spent 10ish years in the Air-Force.

All that morality shit should be buttoned down.

She is a soldier.

Or is this, not that movie?

Is Carol a dip shit reporter working for J Jonah Jameson who lucks into powers during the battle of New York?

Or was she one of those pilots who tried to nuke New York, and is still dealing with the guilt of missing her target?

Fury is the man with the answers.

They needed him to point them at someone to punch.

(And pay for stuff.)

Which is not the same as building their skills sets and righting their moral compasses, which is what a mentor does.

Potato, potato.

She doesn't have to be a complete immoral, idiot to need a mentor. You can be an intelligent, competent, decent person and still need the help and advice from time to time.

 

[Reverend]

I think we're extrapolating a little too much here from not very much information.

"Sam Jackson is in the movie" need not mean "Carol Danvers is just Nick Fury's side kick". I mean that's a hell of a leap, no? For all we know he's the antagonist of the first two acts. "A rogue SHIELD agent, thought dead is spotted meddling with something alien and dangerous and Carol and her SWORD team are sent to bring him in." is just as likely as anything else at this point.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Carol's in AA?

In the late 90s she did some super heroing while very drunk, and ####ed up.

Stark took her to a meeting.

Recently, during Civil war two, it was Captain Marvel vs. Iron Man, every one was fighting every one hammer and tongs, but when they accidentally went to the same meeting, they respected the program and did not turn it all into a circus by hitting each other with folding chairs.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

What?

I don't want young Carol who's as dumb as young Spider-Man asking stupid questions about how/why he should do the right thing.

Carol spent 10ish years in the Air-Force.

All that morality shit should be buttoned down.

She is a soldier.

Or is this, not that movie?

Is Carol a dip shit reporter working for J Jonah Jameson who lucks into powers during the battle of New York?

Or was she one of those pilots who tried to nuke New York, and is still dealing with the guilt of missing her target?

That kind of thing is just going to get women pissed off at the movie and writing blogposts/reviews saying that Fury's being paternalistic in a sexist kind of way and that Marvel's implying a woman can't find out how to be a superhero by herself. They need to let Carol figure out how to be Captain Marvel by herself, with Fury being just an advisor and not a mentor, or do it in a way that implies support and not mentoring.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fury is the big rat, and Carol is four turtles.

Oh.

What if Sam is playing Captain Marvel's boyfriend?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

That kind of thing is just going to get women pissed off at the movie and writing blogposts/reviews saying that Fury's being paternalistic in a sexist kind of way and that Marvel's implying a woman can't find out how to be a superhero by herself. They need to let Carol figure out how to be Captain Marvel by herself, with Fury being just an advisor and not a mentor, or do it in a way that implies support and not mentoring.

Again, having a mentor doesn't mean being dumb or untrained or unprincipled. Mentoring *is* providing support and advice to someone who trusts your instincts/experience.