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Capaldi Leaving Doctor Who

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Saying goodbye to a doctor always makes me teary eyed.
 
Regarding canon, that's rather up in the air.

The problem is that with the classic series very few people (including and especially the writers) knew what happened in previous stories. They just weren't easily available for viewing for a long time. So you got a whole load of handwaving fanon trying to make sense of the inconsistencies and big cheesy mistakes.

You know, like how TOS kept on visiting parallel Earths, just more widespread.

With the new series some of the writers (like Moffat) used that handwaving as a crutch. Who cares if there's huge plotholes and inconsistencies, the fans will just handwave it and the general view won't care. Problem is the general viewers do care and the fans themselves get tired of going 'oh, a wizard did it'.

It's 21st century TV, you expect a bit more consistency. There are cartoon shows that have more of a consistent universe than Doctor Who.

Time Wimey isn't a valid excuse.

I'd heard that with Pertwee (which Barry Letts disputed ever happened) but not with Tom Baker. I got the sense that Tom Baker's departure was a combination of him being tired of doing it and the new production team getting tired of dealing with him.

Yeah, from all the accounts I can remember (including from the actor's own mouth), Tom Baker was a pain to work with near the end.
 
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Regarding canon, that's rather up in the air.

The problem is that with the classic series very few people (including and especially the writers) knew what happened in previous stories. They just weren't easily available for viewing for a long time. So you got a whole load of handwaving fanon trying to make sense of the inconsistencies and big cheesy mistakes.

You know, like how TOS kept on visiting parallel Earths, just more widespread.

With the new series some of the writers (like Moffat) used that handwaving as a crutch. Who cares if there's huge potholes and inconsistencies, the fans will just handwave it and the general view won't care. Problem is the general viewers do care and the fans themselves get tired of going 'oh, a wizard did it'.

It's 21st century TV, you expect a bit more consistency. There are cartoon shows that have more of a consistent universe than Doctor Who.

Time Wimey isn't a valid excuse.
Terence Dicks said it best himself. "Continuity is only whatever I can remember." Even RTD said he would gladly ignore any and all of his own previous episodes, if he felt it served the script he was currently working on. Continuity, canon, consistency, they're nice treats, but they shouldn't be requirements, and Doctor Who is not a show which should be constrained by anything limiting, not even a consistent universe for the show to be set within.
 
Rather shameless promotion, really. And a rather obvious indication by the BBC about Capaldi's popularity. Just... ugh.

I mean, he's not even going to regenerate until frickin' Christmas. Like 10 months away. Please!

It's just a fan-vid. It looks like an authentic BBC thing, but it's not. The obvious giveaway is that there's no BBC ad at the end telling you to subscribe. :)
 
Like betting was suspended after a huge flurry on Tilda Swinton?

Marshall would be such a bland, safe choice that I'd worry about Chibnall Who right from the get go.
 
Marshall is conveniently available, of course - but a little older than the BBC wants to skew, and Chibnall won't be actually approaching possibles until (IIRC) May or after... (Wasn't that said but ignored before?)
 
Someone has already changed his filmography on his Wikipedia article to say he's playing The Doctor starting 2018. :rolleyes:
 
I'd be very surprised if any kind of decision were made before August anyway. They don't need a new Doctor until September, when they film the Christmas special, and of course the regeneration. The situation was similar in 2013, they didn't need anyone until September, with Capaldi cast the first weekend of August. So when people start telling me in early August or even late July about who large bets are being placed on, then I'll pay attention. Besides, wasn't Ben Daniels considered a "safe bet" for the Doctor as recently as a month prior to Capaldi's announcement?
 
Besides, wasn't Ben Daniels considered a "safe bet" for the Doctor as recently as a month prior to Capaldi's announcement?

At least in Daniels case, there was some truth behind that "safe bet" -- he was the runner up for the role, and he's said in interviews that the production team stayed in touch with him throughout the process, right up until the reveal show, on the chance that Capaldi had a change of heart.

I was genuinely excited about the possibility of Daniels as the Doctor. If Chibnall cast him, I'd have no major problem with that. Yes, I'd like to see a woman in the role, but Daniels would be a good choice.

Any casting right now, though, is nothing more than a Wild Ass Guess with no basis in reality whatsoever.

If, somehow, Garbage Colin somehow were cast as the next Doctor, I think I'm out. ("Garbage Colin" is how Pajiba referred to the actor from Love Actually... in a series of articles at Christmas who's currently being "rumored," with no basis in fact, for the role.)
 
At least in Daniels case, there was some truth behind that "safe bet" -- he was the runner up for the role, and he's said in interviews that the production team stayed in touch with him throughout the process, right up until the reveal show, on the chance that Capaldi had a change of heart.

I was genuinely excited about the possibility of Daniels as the Doctor. If Chibnall cast him, I'd have no major problem with that. Yes, I'd like to see a woman in the role, but Daniels would be a good choice.

Any casting right now, though, is nothing more than a Wild Ass Guess with no basis in reality whatsoever.

If, somehow, Garbage Colin somehow were cast as the next Doctor, I think I'm out. ("Garbage Colin" is how Pajiba referred to the actor from Love Actually... in a series of articles at Christmas who's currently being "rumored," with no basis in fact, for the role.)

I wouldn't be out. I learned my lesson by being dismissive of Daniel Craig when he was cast so even if they cast Danny Dyer I'd give him a chance (not a very long chance, but a chance) so if they did go down the Kris Marshall route I'd have to watch it, but as I said I think it would be a very VERY safe choice, but then my fear is that Chibnall Who is supposed to be safe. I hesitate to say I fear it'll be bland, but I do think the BBC might want a more generic kind of show than the ones RTD and Moffat gave us. Whatever your view of either man I do think each had a vision, and I fear Chibnall might be a more pragmatic show runner--which isn't necessarily a bad thing I realise.
 
Regarding canon, that's rather up in the air.

The problem is that with the classic series very few people (including and especially the writers) knew what happened in previous stories. They just weren't easily available for viewing for a long time. So you got a whole load of handwaving fanon trying to make sense of the inconsistencies and big cheesy mistakes.

You know, like how TOS kept on visiting parallel Earths, just more widespread.

TOS visiting multiple parallel Earths wasn't an inconsistency. They were all different planets and none of them were said to be unique (IIRC). Their existence was extremely improbable to the point of ridiculous but not an inconsistency within the universe of the show itself.

(For a more blatant ignoring of prior Star Trek canon, recall the Voyager episode "Scientific Method" when Chakotay started aging rapidly. The Doctor said that such a thing was completely unprecedented, which totally ignores the events of "The Deadly Years," "Unnatural Selection," & "Man of the People.")

I wouldn't be out. I learned my lesson by being dismissive of Daniel Craig when he was cast so even if they cast Danny Dyer I'd give him a chance (not a very long chance, but a chance) so if they did go down the Kris Marshall route I'd have to watch it, but as I said I think it would be a very VERY safe choice, but then my fear is that Chibnall Who is supposed to be safe. I hesitate to say I fear it'll be bland, but I do think the BBC might want a more generic kind of show than the ones RTD and Moffat gave us. Whatever your view of either man I do think each had a vision, and I fear Chibnall might be a more pragmatic show runner--which isn't necessarily a bad thing I realise.

I can't quite shake my mind of the image of Chibnall as part of a panel of snotty teenagers complaining to JNT in the 1980s that the show could be so much more adult than it really is. But then, I've never thought much of Peter Davison's fairly serious take on the Doctor.
 
Gonna miss Capaldi. He never got the great scripts he should have. He got some great scenes but never a consistently great ep (IMO). He really had the chops, I thought.
 
I'm sorry, but color me a Capaldi non-fan. He never really gelled for me, enough that I actually stopped watching the show completely last season. And I'm not the only one. Ratings say the show has lost about 2 million UK viewers on average compared with David Tennant's tenure. 2 million out of 6.5 million. The BBC can't possibly be happy with that.
 
And also, comparing ratings from almost 10 years ago?

Maybe people have just moved on? Maybe there are 2 million people who liked the show but weren't super fans? It's not like it's something that is on regularly with 20 episodes every year.
 
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