Can't they knock?

[Mojochi]

Could be. Do you remember in which episode we saw the holodeck projecting clothes for the first time?

Again, it doesn't necessarily have to be holographically projected clothes. The holodeck replicates things. In 1st Contact, we don't actually see their clothes projected. We don't know how they got dressed in that attire or got out of it. They did get into them rather quickly, so it's likely the clothes were assembled around them somehow maybe, but whatever the case, they could just be real clothes

 

[Ragitsu]

I find the idea of Picard taking the time to fabricate (physical) period clothes for Lily while the Borg are almost breathing down their necks to be slightly amusing.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Certain items (a piece of paper, a snowball) are seen to leave the holodeck upon occasion, but I don't think we ever see clothes do that. Often, the crew will get changed into costume before entering a holodeck though - is that what you are referencing?

I'm referencing my own shaky memory. I have seen every episode of TNG, but most of them once, and the majority 15 years ago...

 

[F. King Daniel]

Could be. Do you remember in which episode we saw the holodeck projecting clothes for the first time?

I think it was the film First Contact.

VOY occured after that, yet the crew still chose to dress up

It was also retroactively Next Gen with ENT's "These Are the Voyages"

Maybe it's an adjustable setting depending on how hardcore your LARPing is. In other TNG episodes they went all-in and dressed up, but Riker was just going for quickies during "The Pegasus" so he used the holoclothes option.

 

[Ottens]

Just rewatched "We'll Always Have Paris". Notable moment toward the end: Troi identifies herself to the holodeck computer outside and "requests access", which she is given. Suggesting Picard - who is running the program - told the computer Troi could have access in advance.

Also notable: Janice, who has lived on a remote science station for many years, appears to have never experienced a holodeck before.

 

[at Quark's]

I suppose the upstanding crew of TNG, trained by Picard, couldn't even conceive of the idea that the Holodeck could potentially be used for more, erm, privacy-sensitive purposes. Until Barclay did so, at least. DS9 has an entirely different breed of folks aboard.

 

[Skipper]

I suppose the upstanding crew of TNG, trained by Picard, couldn't even conceive of the idea that the Holodeck could potentially be used for more, erm, privacy-sensitive purposes. Until Barclay did so, at least. DS9 has an entirely different breed of folks aboard.

Yep! I remember how our heroes were shocked, shocked that Barclay used the Holodeck for something different from having a stroll in the woods or an adventure with Leonardo da Vinci.

 

[at Quark's]

My theory is that at the start of TNG it's still brand new technology and people are still working out what is and isn't acceptable.

By the midpoint of Deep Space Nine it's become illegal to just break in during someone's program. Well, according to Our Man Bashir anyway.

I believe that we learn in early TNG that the holodeck itself isn't new - but the level of sophistication this newest generation of holodecks offers is. We also know from Samantha Wildman (Voyager) she grew up with Flotter (holodeck character). So I would assume that less immersive versions of it existed decades prior, so I also would assume 'holodeck etiquette ' couldn't have been entirely new.

"Computer, if anyone attempts to enter the holodeck, cease program and project a staff/rank appropriate Starfleet uniform onto me."

"Why are you in the holodeck if you're not running a program, Ensign?"
"Oh, erm, erm ..... I'd thought I'd just get in here and meditate on the regularity of the pattern of the hologrid lines. Helps me soothe my mind."
"Then why are you so sweaty, Ensign?"

Just once, I'd like to see someone deep sea diving when somebody else thinks they're just going to wander in lol

Well, in Facets we do see Nog fall when he forgot he was sitting down when he terminated the holodeck simulation and the chair disappeared

I should have known it would be force fields! :-D

I've often wondered what the holodeck would do if a group of people entered it with when it was simulating an endless flat plane, with them an inflexible measuring rod longer than the dimensions of the holodeck (i.e. partially sticking out of the door), and tested how far they could get it in.

 

[publiusr]

Well, in sitcoms home invasions are in every episode… just walk in!

 

[Skipper]

I've often wondered what the holodeck would do if a group of people entered it with when it was simulating an endless flat plane, with them an inflexible measuring rod longer than the dimensions of the holodeck (i.e. partially sticking out of the door), and tested how far they could get it in.

Forcefields!!!!

 

[Takeru]

I've often wondered what the holodeck would do if a group of people entered it with when it was simulating an endless flat plane, with them an inflexible measuring rod longer than the dimensions of the holodeck (i.e. partially sticking out of the door), and tested how far they could get it in.

I think the people would just poke the wall with the simulation flickering like when they threw a communicator against the wall in Ship in a Bottle, the computer doesn't seem to care about that. If a holodeck user wants to screw with the simulation the computer probably lets them, there's no real reason not to.

 

[at Quark's]

I think the people would just poke the wall with the simulation flickering like when they threw a communicator against the wall in Ship in a Bottle, the computer doesn't seem to care about that. If a holodeck user wants to screw with the simulation the computer probably lets them, there's no real reason not to.

It would require the holodeck to recognize the intent of the users, as it normally would try to pull every trick in the book to fool them (as they normally would want to be fooled). But I agree it's quite possible. After all, holodeck programs also have to anticipate intelligently on the most likely reactions of the users.

 

[Takeru]

It would require the holodeck to recognize the intent of the users, as it normally would try to pull every trick in the book to fool them (as they normally would want to be fooled). But I agree it's quite possible. After all, holodeck programs also have to anticipate intelligently on the most likely reactions of the users.

The computer probably figures that if they carried a rod longer than the holodeck through the corridors, maneuvered it through turbo shafts, around corners and finally into the holodeck they do want to poke the wall.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I got the idea after rewatching "11001001", and Picard does walk in casually. At the point where he enter Riker's program, the ship wasn't being evacuated yet.

And after Minuet strongly implies that they could all have a threesome, and Riker hardly objects. Even pleading for Picard to stay.

Of course, Riker and Troi always seemed open to a ménage à trois!

Then maybe the Sovereigns are equipped with the latest in holotechnology?

Although "These Are the Voyages" retroactively gave the TNG holo's clothing projection, as Riker's ENT-era duds vanish revealing his TNG uniform in one scene.

 

[Whizkid]

My theory is that at the start of TNG it's still brand new technology and people are still working out what is and isn't acceptable.

By the midpoint of Deep Space Nine it's become illegal to just break in during someone's program. Well, according to Our Man Bashir anyway.

Except, Garak would regularly do this. Much to Bashir's annoyance.

 

[Whizkid]

Why is it OK for people to walk in on the holo-programs of others?

I'm rewatching "11001001" and Picard just walks in while Riker is kissing Minuet.

In "Hollow Pursuits", Riker, Troi and LaForge walk in on Barclay's fantasies without announcing themselves.

In both cases it's embarrassing. It's also just rude. We always see people ringing the bell before they enter someone's quarters of the captain's ready room. Why do they treat the holodeck differently?

I think, the only time Deanna Troi was "effective," as counselor, friend, sympathetic Other, was with Barclay (who I absolutely love.) So I don't much mind the Holodeck indiscretions.

As far as the Holodeck goes, there's no better episode than Picard and Data, vs. Moriarty.

You ask, "why shouldn't we knock?" Yes. Good question. Except Moriarty took it entirely out of their hands. (It was a sublime tragedy when Picard informs him that he cannot escape the Holodeck. And Moriarty simply asks: can you keep the program running?)

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Except, Garak would regularly do this. Much to Bashir's annoyance.

Yeah, but that's Garak. He's a shady guy. He probably covertly hangs out in everyone's simulations to spy on them.

 

[Skipper]

I think, the only time Deanna Troi was "effective," as counselor, friend, sympathetic Other, was with Barclay (who I absolutely love.) So I don't much mind the Holodeck indiscretions.

Yep! Usually she dispenses fortune-cookies' advice and rarely something else. Unless she has a whole team of counselors we've never seen and she then has a lot of free time that she uses to to hanging out on the bridge or take courses for a command path.

I mean, I'm sure that even in real life being a psychoanalyst in a city of a thousand inhabitants where its residents are continually subjected to events of a traumatic nature would be a full-time job.

 

[Orphalesion]

I think, the only time Deanna Troi was "effective," as counselor, friend, sympathetic Other, was with Barclay (who I absolutely love.)

No she was really good as an advisor to Geordie when he was in charge of the bridge in Arsenal of Freedom.

But yeah, her character wasn't used well a lot of the time.

 

[Kor]

FWIW, the holosuites in DS9 do seem like they are supposed to be more private than the holodecks on a Starfleet ship, as Quark rents them out individually for paid time slots.

Kor