Cannonising the Kelvin

[M'Sharak]

BACK TO TOPIC!

To be honest, I'm not sure what the topic is, but it looks almost like something which belongs more in Trek Art than here.

However, this:

It is the only officail known Earth- Romulan war ship...

I don't think we can consider correct. What causes you to believe that the Kelvin had any part whatsoever in the Earth-Romulan War or that it even existed at that time? That conflict would have to predate the events involving the Kelvin (in this movie) by something like seventy years.

(I've also converted your images to links to avoid page-stretching. See the policy concerning image size here.)

 

[Pegasus]

It was in the interviews with Orci arond the time the first USS Kelvin, she is said to have been part of the Earth-Romulan War. And if it wasn't it doesn't matter, I'll just delete a setence fro the class description.

 

[M'Sharak]

It was in the interviews with Orci arond the time the first USS Kelvin, she is said to have been part of the Earth-Romulan War. And if it wasn't it doesn't matter, I'll just delete a setence fro the class description.

When we first saw mention of the Kelvin, the word was that it was

...a Federation starship from a generation before the Enterprise and smaller than the Enterprise. It is of a new ship class never seen before. The ship is commanded by Captain Robau (Faran Tahir) with George Kirk (Chris Hemsworth) as first officer. Locations seen on the ship include the bridge (which reflects an earlier design than the Enterprise and is a lot ‘busier’), corridors, sickbay and engineering.

Nothing I've seen indicates that it's anywhere near old enough to have figured in the Earth-Romulan War.

Which leaves us with the other question: what is this thread actually about? Is it about ship design? Is it about the artwork in the images? If it's simply about the ship becoming canon, that's easy: it's in the movie, and is canon on that basis already.

 

[Pegasus]

This thread is about mine, and Kenneth Thomson Jr's effort to make the Kelvin in TOS canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Its on the screen and is produced by the owners of Star Trek. That's all canon is.

 

[Plain Simple]

This thread is about mine, and Kenneth Thomson Jr's effort to make the Kelvin in TOS canon.

For something to be TOS canon, shouldn't it have been on screen in TOS? (At least, I suppose you mean by TOS canon something like 'canon if you only take The Original Series (so the '66-'69 television series) into account and not all the series and movies that came after it'). And since it wasn't in there (I think), it isn't. There's hardly anything that can be done about that now by anyone except the owners of the Star Trek franchise is there? After all, only their word decides what 'official canon' is and to the best of my knowledge (but I might be wrong here) their word for the moment is that 'on screen = canon (with the exception of TAS), off screen = not canon'.

And who is Kenneth Thomson Jr.?

 

[JNG]

This thread is about mine, and Kenneth Thomson Jr's effort to make the Kelvin in TOS canon.

You keep talking about canon, but also mentioning what fanfics the ship appears in and so forth. This thread is not making any sense to me so far, man. Kelvin is already canon because it's in the movie.

 

[THE CHEBB]

Tweety?

Considering all the problems WB and CBS are having at the moment, I'm not sure that's such a wise choice. Maybe things will improve in the future?

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[Plain Simple]

Aren't those DS9 kitbashes canon?

Those what?



I think I now get sort of what you're trying to do. You're not trying to make it canon (since you cannot, unless you're one of the franchise owners), you're trying to fanfic it into a form and shape which fits more with what we saw in TOS. Some modern form of model building? Anyway, what are the rules for this game?

 

[Takeru]

1. Having a 0 in front of the registry number actaully makes it UNCANNON!

Wrong, being on screen makes it canon, this is not open for discussion, it's a fact.

Name 4 canon ships with an 0 as the first number s there registry!
Let me: THERE ARE NONE!

There's the Kelvin! But it doesn't really matter, name 4 canon ships that had an andorian captain. Let me: There are none! But that doesn't mean that there are no andorian captains in starfleet and that an andorian captain, who might show up in the future needs to be "canonised" by fans.

2. You opinions are fine, but I see it like this: as the Kelvin is one of the only half decent things in the new fim,(and is liked more then the new Enterprise) it deserves to be canonised.

It is canonised, because it appears in the movie.

Aren't those DS9 kitbashes canon?

Yes, but only because they were on screen, not because they appeared in fanfics or fanart.

It is the only officail known Earth- Romulan war ship, and there are gaps in FASA which in the opinon of Ken Thompson Jr. He actually helped me with this because he agreed. He's even placing an avery class ship in Starship Saladin!

Proof: http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/fo...p?topic=6649.0
Proof: The Avery Class USS Leaning Tower in The Lost Outpost fanfiction:http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/fo...p?topic=6753.0

Nothing of this is official and has no place in a discussion about canon. Who is Ken Thompson Jr. anyway and why should anyone give a rat's ass that he agrees with you?

 

[Kpnuts]

BACK TO TOPIC!

1. Having a 0 in front of the registry number actaully makes it UNCANNON!
Name 4 canon ships with an 0 as the first number s there registry!
Let me: THERE ARE NONE!

The NX-01 Enterprise
The NX-02 Columbia
The NX-01-A Dauntless
The NCC-0514 Kelvin

There you go... four canon ships with a zero preceeding the registry.

The USS Kelvin's registry number is 0514. It is FACT, on screen, and therefore canon. Your drawings mean nothing.

Get over it.

 

[Cky]

I know it's nothing to do with anything etc, and nothing to do with canon. But isn't there a 1 nacelle ship in the Star Trek: Legacy game?

 

[Plain Simple]

Kpnuts, I think what the OP meant is that he tried to tweak designs and registry numbers and what not, so that they fit in better (to his taste and apparently that of mr. Thomson or Thompson) with the designs etc. shown in TOS, so with TOS-only canon so to speak. Not the canon of the whole franchise, but only of the '66-'69 series. I don't think he's in a position to add something to that canon, since you'd probably need real world time travel yourself to add something to the TOS '66-'69 canon, but he's free of course to make designs that he likes in the style of TOS.

At least, that's my interpretation of this puzzling post (the first time I read it I had no idea what it was about), but I'm sure the OP will correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

[SalvorHardin]

1. Having a 0 in front of the registry number actaully makes it UNCANNON!

Yawn...

Canon is what is onscreen.
The Kelvin with a 0 (ZERO) in the registry will be onscreen in May and therefore it is canon.
Now get over it .

/thread

 

[Cyke101]

I love the audacity here, that what we see on screen and is sanctioned by Paramount and the creators isn't canon, but that someone's lone fantasies *are* canon. Oh, the hubris!

 

[Pegasus]

I didn't say it wasn't canon for the alernate timnline in which this set.

Cannon ship with an Andorian captain: The Warshp Kumari!
Oh yeah and all the other Andorians ship seen in Enterprise. Well over 4 pal!

And there is no NCC - 0 registry in TOS is there?

Simplified:
Three timelines:
1. Star Trek Chronology Book,and TOS.
2. Prime First Contact/ TCW/Enterprise Alternate Timeline. The one we saw in Enterprise, that simply wet into TOS.
3. Second First Contact/TCW/ Enterprise Alternate Timeline. Enterprise to Star Trek XI.

 

[blaXXer]

I honestly don't know what it is you're going on about, but you did the registry numbers the right way, so that makes you okay in my books.

Wuv' ya!

 

[Cyke101]

Fine I'll just delete all my posts in thi thread.

Cannon ship with an Andorian captain: The Warshp Kumari!
Oh yeah and all the other Andorians ship seen in Enterprise. Well over 4 pal!

And there is no NCC - 0 registry in TOS is there?

But as mentioned before, there is a Zero-registry in Enterprise, and it seems that there will be some small details in Abrams' Trek that will bridge Enterprise with TOS, ie the mural of the NX-01 and references to "Admiral" Archer. If we're talking about canon, then that means there would be some precedence from ENT to TOS, even if it's a retcon.

For that matter, the only major starship class we see in TOS is the Constitution class, but does that automatically mean there were no other major classes back then? I think not.

 

[blaXXer]

This thread is about mine, and Kenneth Thomson Jr's effort to make the Kelvin in TOS canon.

attenshun whoar, much?

 

[Shatterhand]

I really don't get why we agonize over "canon" or "non-canon", anyway. It seems to me that people who want to accept the Kelvin and its registry number will, and those who refuse to accept it won't. People waving their fists in the air and saying "It's in the movie so it's canon" are wasting their breath because those who don't accept it just won't, no matter who tells them to. Hell, Gene Roddenberry could come back from the dead this minute, post to these boards and say, "I officially endorse the U.S.S. Kelvin and its registry number with the zero in front of it" and someone will still grumble and moan, "But, Mr. Roddenberry!!!!!"

I really believe that people who absolutely refuse to accept this movie as established Trek canon (and I'm sorry to say that I know a few of them) should just call a "Highlander 2" on it; in other words, pretend it doesn't exist. Go see it at least (to show your support for the franchise), but when you walk out, just laugh to yourself in amusement, say" Oh, J.J., you fiend! Nice try, but no sale", and be on your way.