CANCELLED

[Tomato]

Okay after giving it some thought. I am emotionless regard the cancelation of Ent. Yes I know but I've been a dear Trek fan for most of my life. I love ST: TNG, DS9, TOS and then came Voy. Somewhere along the way I stopped caring. I don't know why (I was in my teens) but I couldn't care less about this crew and then Endgame came and that pissed the hell out of me. How could the writers do such a fing cop out.

Then I watched Ent. Hey kool concept, I would love to see the inital Klingon war, Roumulan war, the birth of the Federation, humans being the supid race. The dangers of space travel!!! The ideas were kind of cool. So what did I get, I get a fing redkneck shooting a Klingon. No wars, nada, nothing. I had enough, I saw the light I saw B5 and I knew ST waas not Sci fi anymore, it had fallen from its grace.

Somewhere before S3 the whole Xindi arc was coming. The board hype it up so I bit. I admit I liked a lot of those eps but the stinkers were stinkers. I have now left and will not come back. With the help of others I've discverved BSG, firefly, B5. Shows which don't take their audience for granted. Which worked their damn asses off for us fans. I like it when people apprepicate our input and take time to talk to us. I like it when execs say hey these guys are smart, lets deal with smart issues. Instead of let's throw off our close and massage each other.

So screw you B's, you had 7 season of Voyager, 3 seasons of Ent. To turn Roddenberrys and all our dreams around. Screw you UPN and Viacom for letting those SOB's run what I love to the ground. Ran it so damn low, I can't even bear to look at it anymore. You have no one to blame but yourself for what you did to this glorious dream of the future. If you want the B's to take more of your money be my guest because I know they won't take mine.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Its too bad that Enterprise got cancelled. While I didn't like the first 2 seasons, the second 2 seasons were pretty good. I hope that Sci-Fi decides to renew it.

 

[LeandroTLZ]

Posted by Brent:
You must not smile much, sounds like you dislike everything that is on the air now.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but Enterprise was the only show I still watched. With Futurama and Enterprise gone, I highly doubt I'll be turning on the TV anytime soon. At least I can cancel my cable...

 

[PatrickStar]

I didn't care too much for the first two seasons. Didn't try to miss episodes, just didn't get into it much. Maybe it had to do with the fact that I liked DS9, TNG & VOY since we weren't wimpy compared to all the other aliens we met.

Ent is always the weakest ship, no shields, no initial transporter use, etc.. Guess I liked the power trip.

However, the 3rd & 4th season are much better. I'm really into the storyline now.

Although I won't miss it as deeply as DS9, the lack of any good SCI-FI on TV will be missed.

(Battlestar Gallatica just isn't that great in my opinion... Starbuck's a girl?)

 

[flcat]

Posted by ZZYFRX:

Actually, they need to take it a step further and just start over again from scratch like Ron Moore did with BSG. Sure, the hardcore fans will howl with rage, but in the end we'll most likely get a superior show.

Oh yes, let Ron Moore do to Star Trek what he did to BSG.
Letsee....Spock needs to be a woman...so the character can have sexual tension with Kirk. In fact, in the reimaged version of Amok Time, it can be hot sex with Kirk that brings Spock back to his...er...her senses. McCoy can be a recovering alcoholic, who binges every now and then...which causes him to lose an ocassional patient..."He's dead Jim, I need a drink." Of course, Kirk is conflicted about doing anything about this problem because it was his fooling around with McCoy's ex-wife that caused her to leave him, which led to his drinking problem. In addition to being the ship's engineer, Scotty can also secretly be the drug dealer that GR always said Harlan Ellison tried to make him in City on the Edge of Forever. His best client, Uhuru - who will sleep with anyone or anything if it helps her support her habit. For the slash crowd, Sulu and Chekov can be a gay couple and we can spend some episodes dealing with their domestic bliss - "we're gay and we're on a starship...ISN'T THAT SO COOL!!!"

The Klingons as an alien warrior race? Yeah, right! In Moore's reimaged TOS, the Klingons can be genetically enhanced human super soldiers who we banished to the stars when we outgrew the need for war. Now they're back and they're pissed...especially about the ugly forehead bumps.

Oh yeah, reimaged Trek....can't wait.

 

[WalkinMan]

^^^
I think the difference is that at least RM is trying to do something different, while B&B let things remain stagnant.

And a gay couple wouldn't just be for the slash crowd.

 

[flcat]

^^^Yeah it would...I've got no interest in it.

 

[WalkinMan]

Just because you have no interest in seeing a reimagined BSG does not mean that others don't have an interest in it.

 

[flcat]

Going OT, I have seen it (the mini and four eps). So far, I haven't seen what the hoopla is about. Would I want to see Trek go in that direction? Let me think....no.

 

[Amaris]

Posted by WalkinBomb:
^^^
I think the difference is that at least RM is trying to do something different, while B&B let things remain stagnant.

And a gay couple wouldn't just be for the slash crowd.

^ That wouldn't hurt. Has anyone else seen what Andy Mangels & Micheal Martin did with Section 31's "Rogue"? There was a very small subplot that focused on Lt. Hawk and his husband, which was extroardinarily and tastefully done without making it the overall theme of the book. That's exceptional writing. (great book by the way).

Trek could use an infusion of modern sociological dilemma. It makes for great and effective television when done right. I agree, WalkinBomb. Good point.

-J.

 

[Trubinator]

Maybe there's some hope of the SCIFI channel picking the show up.

 

[Volpone]

OK. Just a few thoughts now that everyone has hopefully had a chance to cool off a bit.

Y'all who are foaming at the mouth about UPN and even more, Les Moonves need to lighten up and take this in perspective. The show. Was. Losing. Viewers. The only big mistake any Viacom suits made was keeping the Bermaga around past their freshness date. When you've got a show on your network that has consistently trended towards declining viewers for years and has broken well below the 3 million viewer mark for multiple weeks, it is time to pull the plug. From a business sense, it was no longer making any sense for UPN to keep ENT around.

Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed Coto's season. But that ain't what running a tv station is about. Running a tv station is about turning a profit. ENT just wasn't going to be a part of that equation. See while bringing on Coto was a great idea, it was too little too late. The people who'd already left weren't coming back, and arguably the shift away from nudity, 'splosions, and FX lost them some of their existing viewers. If they'd have gotten Coto on board from Day One, they'd have had a shot. Or Ron Moore. Or anyone but B&B.

It is telling that, earlier in this thread, someone posted a quote from Berman expressing concern that they'd run out of stuff to do ten years ago. It is inexcuseable that Paramount didn't get some fresh blood in back then, and even more inexcuseable that Berman didn't step down on his own. That's something I'll say about Harve Bennett--he produced some hella entertaining 'Trek movies. And he left on his own terms; he left at the top. Once he realized Paramount wasn't interested in going the direction he wanted to go, he left. I suspect Berman realized that he was running out of steam at the end of TNG. I suspect he realized running two concurrent series in direct competition, along with a film series was just too much. If he hadn't been swept along by hubris and greed, he would've walked away. Instead he stayed, and helped run the franchise into the ground. He stuck around far past his expiration date.

This brings me to the silver lining to this cloud. Believe it or not, the fact that Moonves isn't trying to shop the show around is a GOOD thing. See, if they'd completely given up on 'Trek, they'd run this turkey into the ground. They'd do whatever it took to wring some final revenue out of it. They would've whipped up something for syndication/SciFi that would make "Galactica:1980" and "Andromeda" look like high art. But they aren't. Why? Because they think the franchise is worth saving. So they'll put it away for 5-10 years, like Lucas did with "Star Wars" and let people get hungry for new 'Trek. When the time is right, when they have the right writers, producer, and talent, and when the people are ready, they'll bring it back.

An hopefully y'all who are claiming "They'll do it without me. I'm through with 'Trek." are as full of $h!t as I suspect you are. I mean, look how many people said "If they ever do a Borg ep, I'm gone." and turned around and lapped up the Borg ep as brilliant. I suspect that, no matter what you say, 5-10 years from now, when you're watching tv, or in the theaters, and an ad/trailer comes on with a star field, a slow pan and Alexander Courage's famous intro music, you, like me will cream your drawers and flock back to this BBS to talk about the new 'Trek movie. Admit it. We're 'Trekkies. We'll always be 'Trekkies. And if Paramount brings back 'Trek in a few years, we'll give 'er another chance.

 

[Noname Given]

Posted by WalkinBomb:
^^^
I think the difference is that at least RM is trying to do something different, while B&B let things remain stagnant.

And a gay couple wouldn't just be for the slash crowd.

They didn't let things remain stagnant - want an example - what they did wuith the Vulcans. What did that get them? A bunch of fan crying "OMG! NO! These aren't Vulcans, why oh why are you screwing with my beloved Trek?"

Yes, Manny Coto came in and made a DAMN good story ouit of it to make all the folks who were upset happy; but from day one, I thought what B&B did was an interesting and different take on Vulcans; and regardless of the fact that we gotr to see the moment that 'changed' Vulcans into TOS Vulcans, with what had been presented previously of ENT; had we NOT had the Vulcan arc, I still would have had no trouble believing that the Vulcans of the 22nd century would grow/evolve to what we saw in the 23rd century with Amok Time, The Managerie, andf Journey to Babel.

The DID try to shake the status quo on this and a couple other items, yet it was met with "OMG! No! This goes against what I've been imagining aout the pre TOS era for the past 20 years, you bastards!"

 

[WalkinMan]

^^^
Agreed, except for the Borg ep part. "Regeneration" was horrible!

Well said. And to J. Allen, thanks for your comments! I read Rogue and thought it was great, although I wasn't thinking specifically about that book when I made the comment. Rogue is one of my top ten Trek novels.

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by sfc34:

Posted by denodaeus:
They did use the basic REASON

Not as far as I can see - why set a show at the exact point where the founding of the fed is and then do absolutely nothing about it?

Why not set the show 20 years before? - or 20 years after?

That is probably the bit that gets me more than any other - I don't object to them telling tales set in the past involving races/places that we haven't heard of before - I do object to them setting up the whole series to pivot on a pivotal ST moment - and then completely ignore it.

It is history repeating, voy was the same - they set up a premise and then just get fed up/ignore it and go and do what they feel like doing next. No thought, planning or depth - the direction of ST was run on their whim.

I'm sure, in the grand scheme of things (as it looked since the beginning of season 4, anyway), that they were headed towards the BOTF. However, if they were to show this in Season one, a) we would miss a lot of the backstory showing the integrity of the Federation forming and b) it would be difficult to stretch this sole concept over seven season.

I do not think RB and company thought ST: ENT would end after just four seasons. I'm sure, initially, they had planned for the full run and had a few ideas of where they were going creatively.

Also, as stated from Rick Berman, the creator of Enterprise, the concept of the show was a prequel that would take us into the history of Starfleet, man's journey into exploring deep space, and eventually the BOTF. I think Enterprise has dealt properly with the era that it was assigned so far, in light of the fact that every Trek after TOS had a seven season run.

I've tried not to make this a point to defend the quality of Enterprise. That hasn't been the issue here. The issue continues to be whether it was a mistake to target this era, and the relevance of the subject material involved to the Trek universe.

Just because Kirk didn't spew lines about the Xindi arc or the millions dead doesn't mean that something like this didn't happen. That amount of foresight would be damned near impossible, and to think that one would restrict themselves to only going in one direction would yield a huge creative roadblock.

In my opinion, this is the problem with canon and the people that nitpick about the minor details of such.

 

[WalkinMan]

^^^
I think the QUALITY of ENT has been the major factor in how many viewers tuned in, or didn't, over the course of the series. What's ironic is how many say that ENT's Quality is the best now in S4.

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by WalkinBomb:
^^^
I think the QUALITY of ENT has been the major factor in how many viewers tuned in, or didn't, over the course of the series. What's ironic is how many say that ENT's Quality is the best now in S4.

Indeed. This here sums up exactly how I feel about Enterprise and it's course (sorry to link, but quite honestly, this is the thing I've most related to yet, and I'm not that articulate a fellow).

I will miss it all, however.

And to the fellow in the couple of posts above who I've had the pleasure of responding to five or six times now about the premise and such of Enterprise (sorry it's a bit late and I don't deal well with names and the like), eh, well, let's just agree to disagree.

 

[The Dark In Me]

Posted by Timofnine:

Posted by DarthMacCartney:
QUALMS FROM THE START
By Darth MacCartney
(to the tune of "Faith of the Heart")

"It took too much time,
Getting from there to here.
F**ked up the timeline,
But at last we're finally here.

And I will see nerds dreams
Fall apart at last.
Pardon if I'm rude.
'Cause we've seen the last of the Archer crew
No, they're not going to be renewed.

'Cause I've had qualms from the start.
Berman took us in the wrong direction.
Had no brains and no heart.
And they could get nothing right.
Now relief is in store
And no one's gonna be too sorry
They're not here
Anymore.
I've had--I've had--I've had
I've had qualms
Qualms from the start."

Warning for trolling.

Trolling? Man, that was goddamn funny!!!

 

[denodaeus]

Posted by The Dark In Me:

Posted by Timofnine:

Posted by DarthMacCartney:
QUALMS FROM THE START
By Darth MacCartney
(to the tune of "Faith of the Heart")

"It took too much time,
Getting from there to here.
F**ked up the timeline,
But at last we're finally here.

And I will see nerds dreams
Fall apart at last.
Pardon if I'm rude.
'Cause we've seen the last of the Archer crew
No, they're not going to be renewed.

'Cause I've had qualms from the start.
Berman took us in the wrong direction.
Had no brains and no heart.
And they could get nothing right.
Now relief is in store
And no one's gonna be too sorry
They're not here
Anymore.
I've had--I've had--I've had
I've had qualms
Qualms from the start."

Warning for trolling.

Trolling? Man, that was goddamn funny!!!

Yes, I'm an Enterprise fan, and this too really had me laughing. Very creative .

 

[RJDiogenes]

Posted by Mariner Class:

Posted by RJDiogenes:

Posted by cooleddie74:
It's been almost a full 24 hours since I read the news, and I'm STILL royally cheesed. Argggggggggh!!!!!

ENTERPRISE dies. While abject, pandering crap like reality shows and DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES are hits and people won't shut the F up about them. Boy, I dislike broadcast TV and the networks right now more than I have in a LONNNNNNG time.

There's an old saying along the lines of: Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the common people. Always been true; probably always will be. That's why Tom Clancy sells better than Harlan Ellison, why TV Guide sells better than Analog, why Titanic sells more DVDs than Forbidden Planet, and why Desperate Housewives has more viewers than Enterprise.

However, if people put their little kiddies in front of a Trek show at an early age, shit like Desperate SexLives, The Appendage, and The Amazing Farce would lose their audiences, because the viewers would have reached a greater average intellectual/moral platitude, and would refuse to let their minds rot into piles of grey goo...

Which is why Enterprise got cancelled int the first place.

Well, I'm working on my niece and nephew. I hope everybody else is doing their part.