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Cancellations... why even watch new shows?

I the shows had good writers there wouldn't be any need for "filler" episodes.

It depends on your definition of "filler." Take "The X-Files," for example. 90% of the show is random, monster-of-the-week stuff that has nothing to do with the alien conspiracy story arc. Are these filler?

I have always thought that seasons should be as long as the writers need to tell the story.
 
I the shows had good writers there wouldn't be any need for "filler" episodes.

It depends on your definition of "filler." Take "The X-Files," for example. 90% of the show is random, monster-of-the-week stuff that has nothing to do with the alien conspiracy story arc. Are these filler?

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I actually prefered to the standalone, monster-of-the-week eps of X-FILES. That byzantine conspiracy storyline got tedious after awhile . . . . .

Give me something like "Home" or "Clyde Bruckman's Last Repose" anyday.
 
I the shows had good writers there wouldn't be any need for "filler" episodes.

It depends on your definition of "filler." Take "The X-Files," for example. 90% of the show is random, monster-of-the-week stuff that has nothing to do with the alien conspiracy story arc. Are these filler?

.

I actually prefered to the standalone, monster-of-the-week eps of X-FILES. That byzantine conspiracy storyline got tedious after awhile . . . . .

Give me something like "Home" or "Clyde Bruckman's Last Repose" anyday.

And that's my point. The show had a story arc, but it also had a lot of episodes that were completely unrelated to that arc but were still just as good, if not better.

Filler tends to happen when a studio orders 20 episodes, but the writers only have enough story to fill 15 episodes. You end up with 5 random episodes that the writers probably didn't want to write in the first place and just struggled to fill time.
 
And, with shorter seasons, you have less "filler" episodes of the sort people routinely complain about around here! :)

Well with justification. The first season of BSG was tight, well-paced and enthralling. The second season onwards it had double the number of episodes so consequently it went to shit after the first half and never recovered.
 
And, with shorter seasons, you have less "filler" episodes of the sort people routinely complain about around here! :)

Well that's partially true, sometimes a shorter season can feel like they have a lot of padding within the episodes to expand the storyline out. Take Torchwood: Miracle Day, it was a ten episode season, yet I think it could easily have been done in 5 episodes (similiar to Children of Earth) and made for a much tighter story.
 
I the shows had good writers there wouldn't be any need for "filler" episodes.
It's not really about the quality of the writers. "Filler" episodes are generally those that just feature the characters doing their usual routine (say, investigating a murder on one of the many cop shows) and doesn't advance whatever arc there might be in any meaningful way. This doesn't happen because the writer of that episode isn't any good, it's just to fulfill the padded-out episode order that's typical of broadcast shows. With cable shows, budgets are usually lower, which means seasons are shorter, which means every episode needs to advance the story all the time.

It's just different styles, that's all.
 
Well sometimes filler episodes are used as a cost saving measure (the so called Bottle show) which uses existing sets and has few if any guest stars. Sometimes these are dire i.e. TNG's "Shades of Gray"

We also have the flashback/recap episodes which can advance the overall story arc to some degree i.e. SG-1's "Disclosure".

Of course the opposite of both is true, we can have some great bottle episodes and some flashback/recap episodes which do nothing to advance the overall story arc.
 
i can understand the thread starter's pain. i started to warm up to shows like FlashForward, The Event, Terra Nova and then they were canceled after the first season.

Tell me about it. It was the worst with FlashForward. You get to the end of the last episode and go all...so? What now?

I usually watch stuff on dvd for most of the reasons already stated. Especially because of the commercial breaks.
 
I the shows had good writers there wouldn't be any need for "filler" episodes.

But all the good writers have gone to cable, where the seasons are short anyway! Which is why the shorter season = quality phenomenon may be causation, not causality. But either way, there's a correllation.

Anyway, Ive never been overly bothered by "filler," probably because I only bother watching shows I really like, generally speaking, and if I really like a show then I want as much as possible, een if its not earth shattering or obviously important to the overall arc. Sometimes its fun to just see the characters do their stuff.

And, with shorter seasons, you have less "filler" episodes of the sort people routinely complain about around here! :)

Well with justification. The first season of BSG was tight, well-paced and enthralling. The second season onwards it had double the number of episodes so consequently it went to shit after the first half and never recovered.

BSG's quality issues came down to lack of initial planning. The writers never bothered to give their villains a good reason to attack the colonies, which is a huge problem since that is the basis of everything that happens in the story. They could avoid dealing with that for the first season but as the show progressed, they had to twist the story into pretzels to avoid confronting the gaping illogic at its heart. Shorter seasons would have staved off the day of reckoning longer, but that day would arrive regardless, after X number of episodes.

Saying the show was better because of shorter seasons is like saying a restaurant with bad food is better because they serve smaller portions. With a strong, well thought out premise, they could have had four strong seasons. Many shows manage to have more than four high quality seasons, its not some insurmountable obstacle.

And, with shorter seasons, you have less "filler" episodes of the sort people routinely complain about around here! :)

Well that's partially true, sometimes a shorter season can feel like they have a lot of padding within the episodes to expand the storyline out. Take Torchwood: Miracle Day, it was a ten episode season, yet I think it could easily have been done in 5 episodes (similiar to Children of Earth) and made for a much tighter story.

The right number of episodes is determined by the premise. Some premises need five episodes and some need five seasons. This is similar to saying, what's the right length for a book? Well what book are you talking about?

With cable shows, budgets are usually lower, which means seasons are shorter, which means every episode needs to advance the story all the time.

That depends on format, not season length. Even cable has some episodic shows, generally the cop show type. Perception is a good example, that's a case of the week format with some light character arcs. Just because it has a shorter cable season doesnt mean its totally or even mainly serialized, so most of what happens each episode does not advance the arc.

Conversely, take a serialized show like Revenge. It has a long broadcast season, but the format demands that each episode advance the arc. A lower cable budget may reduce the season's length, but it doesn't determine the show's format.
 
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I can't remember the last show I watched live on network television. LOST?

These LOST clones never last more than a season. :(
 
It becomes a self-fulfilling act. I'm not going to watch new shows because they always get cancelled, nobody watches new show so it gets cancelled.
 
Jaw. My jaw just dropped and I can't raise it.

Oh

Back in place.

Finally.

Jane By Design canceled.

They're blaming low ratings which is sound, but with the Carrie Diaries, a Sex and the City prequel about a 16 year old (1984 dude.) Carrie Bradshaw getting her first writing job in Manhatten, coming up Jane by Design becomes instantly and retroactively redundant and derivative.

"Sigh"

http://www.ismyshowcancelled.com/news/
 
Yup.

They stole the plot of Don't tell Mom the baby Sitters dead, then put their feet up for 18 episodes.

Teen mistaken for a 20something gets a job in high fashion, then has to make sure her worlds don't collide.

I thought it was hilarious.
 
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