Canceled!

[bigdaddy]

For everyone who said Eastwick, like me, are really right, and everyone who said The Forgotten are a little wrong.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11...astwick-orders-more-forgotten/#comment-134694

 

[Captain Craig]

I called Eastwick as well.
I'm sure more from the list will fall, Eastwick was just first.

 

[Starbreaker]

Wow... I wish I hadn't looked at that site.

LOST – Utter Garbage...
Yeah, ABC keeps trash on, or screws crap up like this...Eastwick is actually a decent show, it’s sad to see that garbage like the forgotten is allowed to continue, while Eastwick is cut.

 

[Lindley]

Well, I stopped watching after the first 5 or 6 episodes of season 1. To me, at that point the name 'dollhouse' said it all - these women had no say whatever over their own lives or memories, and were used like dolls (and even CALLED dolls) by their masters for everything up to and including sexual acts.

The basic issue which you may not have realized is that the Dollhouse are the bad guys.

That's a simplification, of course. But it's more accurate than assuming they're supposed to be the good guys just because they're the main characters.

The show is simply asking, "What if this technology existed?" and examining possible consequences. It doesn't have well-defined good guys and bad guys. What it does have is some who think the tech can be used for good, and some who think it's repulsive. And some who just don't care so long as they get paid. And Topher, who loves a good thought puzzle but has an extremely underdeveloped notion of consequences.

Something Joss Whedon said on the "Objects in Space" commentary comes to mind: "Everyone thinks they're righteous." Bad guys don't think of themselves as bad guys. Well, it's my opinion that Dollhouse is as much about exploring that angle as it is about anything else.

I can completely understand why all this wasn't evident in the first few episodes. The first five or so suffered from heavy network-note-itis. And as usual, Fox "didn't get it". According to the Epitaph One commentary, Fox wouldn't even let them use the word "prostitution" in any of the aired episodes of season 1.

"The cold reality is that everyone here was chosen because their morals have been compromised in some way. Everyone, except you. You, Topher, were chosen because you had no morals. You have always thought of people as playthings. This is not a judgment. You’ve always taken very good care of your toys, but you’re simply going to have to let this one go."

We're pimps and killers, but in a philanthropic way.

 

[bigdaddy]

The next show should be Dollhouse or Hank, whatever show runs out of episodes first.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Well, I stopped watching after the first 5 or 6 episodes of season 1. To me, at that point the name 'dollhouse' said it all - these women had no say whatever over their own lives or memories, and were used like dolls (and even CALLED dolls) by their masters for everything up to and including sexual acts.

The basic issue which you may not have realized is that the Dollhouse are the bad guys.

That's a simplification, of course. But it's more accurate than assuming they're supposed to be the good guys just because they're the main characters.

The show is simply asking, "What if this technology existed?" and examining possible consequences. It doesn't have well-defined good guys and bad guys. What it does have is some who think the tech can be used for good, and some who think it's repulsive. And some who just don't care so long as they get paid. And Topher, who loves a good thought puzzle but has an extremely underdeveloped notion of consequences.

Something Joss Whedon said on the "Objects in Space" commentary comes to mind: "Everyone thinks they're righteous." Bad guys don't think of themselves as bad guys. Well, it's my opinion that Dollhouse is as much about exploring that angle as it is about anything else.

I can completely understand why all this wasn't evident in the first few episodes. The first five or so suffered from heavy network-note-itis. And as usual, Fox "didn't get it". According to the Epitaph One commentary, Fox wouldn't even let them use the word "prostitution" in any of the aired episodes of season 1.

Well, if that is indeed the case, Fox made a grievous error. Because you're right - this was not at all evident in the first few episodes. And being as offended as I was after the first 5 or 6, I felt no obligation to stick around to see if it would get 'better'.

Further, my guess is that they probably lost a fair number of female viewers in exactly the way they lost me.

 

[bigdaddy]

Hank and Dollhouse are now dead to.

So now that we got the really obvious ones out of the way, what will be next?

 

[Captain Craig]

A 'tweet' from one writer does not an official announcement make as it pertains to DH.
As for Hank...source please?

 

[bigdaddy]

No, the creator of Dollhouse wouldn't know anything....

This has been a busy week for cancellations. The latest addition to the TV graveyard: Dollhouse. According to multiple insiders, Fox has informed Joss Whedon that it will not be ordering additional installments of his low-rated drama beyond the current 13-episode order. On the bright side, the network still plans to burn off the remaining unaired episodes beginning in December. Hey, it’s something.
Dollhouse has been averaging a mere 3 million viewers this season. Last season — when fan support, together with significant budget cuts, helped it to get an odds-defying second-year pickup — the show averaged 4.7 million.
Bottom line: Dollhouse is lucky it ever saw a second season. Remember that when you’re posting your eulogies below.
UPDATE: Whedon just posted the following statement on Whedonesque.com: “I don’t have a lot to say. I’m extremely proud of the people I’ve worked with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better pretty much every week, and I think you’ll agree in the coming months. I’m grateful that we got to put it on, and then come back and put it on again. I’m off to pursue Internet ventures/binge drinking. Possibly that relaxation thing I’ve read so much about. By the time the last episode airs, you’ll know what my next project is. But for now, there’s a lot of work still to be done, and disappointment to bear. Thank you all for your support, your patience, your excellent adverts. See you again.”

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/11/this-just-in-dollhouse-axed/

That noise you hear is the sound of no one crying. ABC has pulled the plug on Kelsey Grammer’s critically-drubbed and low-rated freshman sitcom Hank. A network insider says there are no current plans to air the five remaining episodes. Hank will be replaced on Wednesdays at 8 pm with a mix of comedy repeats and holiday specials.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/11/this-just-in-abc-cancels-hank/

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
That's the first comment from Joss I've seen. Other comments about the net didn't have something from him. See how easy it was to just post that to avoid being questioned.

 

[bigdaddy]

See how easy it is not to be an jerk?

No? It shows.

 

[Captain Craig]

I can't help that you interrpreted my honest question for a source as jerk.
Really I can't. I didn't type it with that attitude in mind.
What you read into things is on you and not something I need apoligize for.
Hope you don't carry that chip on your shoulder into everything.

Again, thanks for the source.

 

[Top41]

Guys, let's chill and not derail the thread. It's easy to interpret words in type as having a certain "tone" even when none is intended. It seems to me that's what's happened here, so let's let peace prevail and get back to talk of axing shows. Thanks, guys.

My guess of the ones left would be Brothers. I think CBS will hold out on Three Rivers for a while, and while Melrose Place's ratings are abysmal, they're going to wait to see if Heather Locklear's appearances on the show make a difference.