Can we just pretend that Voyager never happened?
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It's too bad they didn't scrap all the Rubber Tree People crap after Beltran was cast, and let him develop a backstory on what he'd learned about his own mixed ancestry. When they would give him emotional scenes with depth, or action scenes, Beltran usually did well. But it's easy to see why he grew dissatisfied when his role in some episodes was only reactions and exposition.
I originally heard an "abridged" (but true) description of Beltran.
He's a Mexican.
He's a Mexican.
He must have felt slighted when Q made a mariachi band appear on the bridge of Enterprise.
I read an article where he described himself as Mestizo, so he probably has some Native American genes in there too. He was born in California.
Why? He was never on TNG.
I said originally.
Then Teya attacked my ignorance insisting that because of 500 years of interbreeding it was impossible to suspect that any given Latino/a Mexican wasn't also Native America, or Indo American and vice versus. There are no lines of division between the Spanish colonials and aboriginals, it's just a great big mixing pot.
Then Teya attacked my ignorance insisting that because of 500 years of interbreeding it was impossible to suspect that any given Latino/a Mexican wasn't also Native America, or Indo American and vice versus. There are no lines of division between the Spanish colonials and aboriginals, it's just a great big mixing pot.
Sorry, I meant 'The only human character', not 'The only character'.
Whom did you mean? I can't find your initial statement.
I said that Chakotay was the only main character in Trek to focus strongly on spiritual beliefs, which is obviously incorrect, as there are several alien characters such as Kira who do. Humans in Trek are generally aspiritual.
True. It seems like a consensus.
And that reminds me a stupid characterization of theirs. Their "Leonardo Da Vinci" hologram is incredibly stupid for someone/something pretending to be one of the greatest minds of all time! I mean he has to be explained everything very slowly and requires the use of metaphor and all kinds of artifices. I mean like when he stops in the middle of an action to ask Janeway why they are doing things. I mean geniuses are supposed to be smart!!! Also when Janeway come to ask for his advice on a moral conundrum, his only answer is to tell her to pray!!! Pray and a solution will come to you from above. Do we really think that Da Vinci was a moron!!!
Just a peeve of mine...
Imagine the first Christmas after World War Three where mommy and daddy are still trying to con their kids into believing in Santa Claus?
Ironically, the countries ravaged by war, catastrophes, famine and poverty in general are the ones where the religions are the most successful in acquiring new converts... Go figure!
Wow....Post Atomic Horror Christmas....you really managed to depress me there....and then to think that there are places on Earth now, in real life were Christmas and/or other celebrations are marred by war and suffering...
That's because in times of great suffering believing in something that goes beyond your immediate situation and dwarfs all the things that hurt you can be a great comfort to many people, something to hold on to.
Vodka?
Different strokes for different folks.
And yes alcoholism also tends to skyrocket in times of trouble...
To say nothing of narcotics...
Trek had a whole other series launched and given four seasons to make a go of it after Voyager. If anything went wrong with Trek, I think the blame lies with Enterprise.
I enjoy Enterprise, but I think it was flawed in a lot of ways, namely a remarkably bland supporting cast, and the storytelling had gotten very safe. The people behind the scene were coasting imo. ENT finally found it's footing by the fourth season, but by then they'd lost too much of the audience and never got them back.
Voyager was a pretty awesome show in my opinion. It was fairly popular thru it's run. I'd say it did better than most shows that are on tv now.
I enjoy Enterprise, but I think it was flawed in a lot of ways, namely a remarkably bland supporting cast, and the storytelling had gotten very safe. The people behind the scene were coasting imo. ENT finally found it's footing by the fourth season, but by then they'd lost too much of the audience and never got them back.
Voyager was a pretty awesome show in my opinion. It was fairly popular thru it's run. I'd say it did better than most shows that are on tv now.
TNG was the only show that had a prolonged week to week consistent rise in ratings.
DS9, then Voyager, then Enterprise all plunged.
Of course it cost more than twice as much to make an episode of Enterprise than it did to make an Episode of Voyager.
Just mull that over.
If they had used that money to make two series, or just pocketed it, then shitty ratings would have been fine and they would have gotten to seven years effortlessly and a new series would have been commissioned that was made for even less money that could thrive on even shittier ratings.
But what actually happened is bad logic.
If we spend twice as much, our ratings will double, which will still be half the ratings TNG got, which cost 1/5th the price to make.
Berman is an idiot.
He was gambling based on faith, rather than looking at the ratings and forecasting logical conclusions.
Rick seemed to be imagining that the 10 million viewers who went missing in 1993 will come back for some reason some how hopefully before sweeps to justify the money he was throwing at Enterprise.
DS9, then Voyager, then Enterprise all plunged.
Of course it cost more than twice as much to make an episode of Enterprise than it did to make an Episode of Voyager.
Just mull that over.
If they had used that money to make two series, or just pocketed it, then shitty ratings would have been fine and they would have gotten to seven years effortlessly and a new series would have been commissioned that was made for even less money that could thrive on even shittier ratings.
But what actually happened is bad logic.
If we spend twice as much, our ratings will double, which will still be half the ratings TNG got, which cost 1/5th the price to make.
Berman is an idiot.
He was gambling based on faith, rather than looking at the ratings and forecasting logical conclusions.
Rick seemed to be imagining that the 10 million viewers who went missing in 1993 will come back for some reason some how hopefully before sweeps to justify the money he was throwing at Enterprise.
The Voyager characters have considerably more developed characters than any of those. I said quite specifically that engaging and/or appealing characters were a necessary component not that having completely blank cyphers was desirable (mind you there's plenty of symbological and allegorical literature thatwould prove me wrong to be fair) . The point is that the novelistic/realism above all approach is not by any means the One True Way when it comes to storytelling.
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