Pretty sure no one is saying Continuity in Trek is perfect. But its probably worse than it's ever been. With Discovery being the worst of all..
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Pretty sure no one is saying Continuity in Trek is perfect. But its probably worse than it's ever been. With Discovery being the worst of all..
Which is a feature not a bug.
At least for me. But, then, I'm old. I started out with Where No One Has Gone Before and James R. Kirk and a weird old guy as the doctor. Then I'm in Balance of Terror and none of that makes much sense.
I wouldn't say it's "the worst." I would say it's closer to TOS than the Berman era, which may be what TNG era fans prefer.
Hyperbole. It really hasn't.
Nope. Not even close. TMP and DS9 both retconned an entire species' basic appearance. Compared to that, Maurice's hair is nothing.
No its established that the Klingons were under a viral pandemic that altered their appearance on a genetic level. I have it on good authority from Aan named Soong...
Discovery shot it all to hell, only to kinda retcon it back...
Haha. Nice try deflecting it to Maurice when I said...DISCOVERY....
The idea that Klingons can only have one phenotype is beyond absurd. Discovery did nothing wrong there but follow Trek tradition.No its established that the Klingons were under a viral pandemic that altered their appearance on a genetic level. I have it on good authority from Aan named Soong...
Discovery shot it all to hell, only to kinda retcon it back...
Haha. Nice try deflecting it to Maurice when I said...DISCOVERY....
Only for a handful of colonies. Enterprise never said the entire empire was infected.
Dont agree. The Klingons were a far departure from what we saw in Tng to ENT.....
So you would say that the story of First Contact, for instance, doesn’t matter at all, given it directly retcons Space Seed and Best of Both Worlds - more egregious “canon mistakes” than any you’ve pointed out for Picard?
That’s plainly not the feedback you’ve received. There are plenty of acknowledgments that there are some conflicts in canon (which are, incidentally, not necessarily “mistakes”, but creative choices), but that such is the case with other series, and that they do not necessarily have a large bearing on quality/enjoyment.
The problem is that you came looking not for a discussion, but for support for your preconceived notion (and frankly for people to do your own homework) and you didn’t get it. That may well be frustrating, but if you want to publish your own videos, you should be willing to deal with robust feedback and unexpected interactions. Unless, of course, you want to stick to the one-note corners of negativity where your views will be welcome.
And the Klingons in TMP+ were a far departure from what we saw in TOS.
What Discovery did was no different than what Trek has done before.
I believe Tuskin38 is spot on:
The TMP Klingons were a travesty, going from a TOS point of view. And then TSFS changed them again. The only thing consistent was change.
Yes it was. TMP laid down groundwork for what the Klingons would be until Enterprise. Sure there were subtle changes after TMP but not on the scale of Discovery. I mean they freaking changed their skulls to look like the Alien Queen for gods sake......
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No. Continuity base creation often turns a story into connect the dots and paint by numbers writing.
Tell that to novelists. Or any writer of a fantasy series.
Giving a shit about "connecting the dots" is what separates the wheat from the chaff in terms of a serialized show having nuance, depth and memorable character and world building.
I'm on the middle road here. Is continuity a positive thing? It can be but it isn't what makes the story matter. It can give nuance, depth, and characters, or it can drag the story down with meaningless minutia.
But meaning? A story matters if it connects with the audience.
But how can it properly if it's poorly written, and often continuity plays a large part in such a feat?
I suppose this is akin to folks who like music primarily for the beat.
Jesus, the amount of negativity over OP's topic is shocking. I don't think he tried to bash the series and there's a lot of valid criticism over the subject. If he was talking about ENT, I bet no one would be complaining.
To me, and only me, continuity is like frosting, or to carry over your music example, guitar rifts. They are nice as a flourish but not as the main part of the song that I am enjoying. I am enjoying how it makes me feel, how I am connecting with the lyrics, with tune. A poorly written story with characters I care about is one that still matters to me.
As someone who has defended Enterprise in the past I would at least raise a Vulcan eyebrow.
I can get behind this. There are definitely many not great movies that I enjoy merely because certain actors are in them.
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