Can a colony separate from the Federation?

[JeffinOakland]

Yeah, so? He still believed in rules, just not their rules. Societies having rules is not "sacrificing freedom". Your freedom to swing your arms ends where the other person's nose begins.

What if the rules are arbitrary, unreasonable, unfair, unenforceable or weighted to benefit certain people (rich whites, for instance) over other people (poor blacks, for instance)? As to the arm swinging: if someone tries to hurt me or someone I care about, I'm going to try to not let them...if you know what I mean.

 

[The Old Mixer]

What if the rules are arbitrary, unreasonable, unfair, unenforceable or weighted to benefit certain people

And that's why he was a traitor to the crown.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No, but he was a traitor to the British Crown.

And Americans should care about this...why, exactly?

 

[The Old Mixer]

We care because it makes him awesome.

 

[JeffinOakland]

We care because it makes him awesome.

The British didn't think he was awesome.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Good for them.

 

[The Old Mixer]

If Benjy were alive today, he'd be an epic poster...he'd be ripping everyone to shreds. Probably get himself perma-banned.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I totally thought you were talking about someone else.

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[JeffinOakland]

And Americans should care about this...why, exactly?

Because perspective matters. One man hero is another's enemy. A government that works great for these people doesn't necessarily work for these others. ST'S Fed might seem like the good guys to us but there is bound to be those who disagree.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And Americans should care about this...why, exactly?

Becuase if Benjamin Franklin wasn't a traitor to the British Crown, you'd still be British.

 

[JeffinOakland]

Becuase if Benjamin Franklin wasn't a traitor to the British Crown, you'd still be British.

And we'd all be speaking British!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Trip was probably the poster boy for this particular regulation!

I can picture those posters.

"Don't be a trip" play safe and practice safe interspecies sex

 

[Jedman67]

I'd imagine that Colony worlds eventually gain their independence when they become self-sufficient, and either join the federation charter or "ally" themselves with the federation.
AFAIK, radio telescopes - or any telescope currently in existence or theoretically possible to build, has the sensitivity to detect ships in warp or even advanced civilizations. If the Hubble was looking in the right direction, it could theoretically detect an alien ship in our OWN solar system.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I'd imagine that Colony worlds eventually gain their independence when they become self-sufficient, and either join the federation charter or "ally" themselves with the federation.
AFAIK, radio telescopes - or any telescope currently in existence or theoretically possible to build, has the sensitivity to detect ships in warp or even advanced civilizations. If the Hubble was looking in the right direction, it could theoretically detect an alien ship in our OWN solar system.

Yet the Hubble or any of the other telescopes have problems focusing on the Moon.

 

[Tallguy]

Yet the Hubble or any of the other telescopes have problems focusing on the Moon.

But there aren't any warp capable life forms on the moon. What's the problem?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

But there aren't any warp capable life forms on the moon. What's the problem?

I don't know.......... I just want clear photos of the Moon and the Apollo landing sites. But I can't get any.........

I have taken some nice Moon Photos using my own camera.

and

and from the last time we had a lunar eclipse down here.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'd imagine that Colony worlds eventually gain their independence when they become self-sufficient, and either join the federation charter or "ally" themselves with the federation.
AFAIK, radio telescopes - or any telescope currently in existence or theoretically possible to build, has the sensitivity to detect ships in warp or even advanced civilizations. If the Hubble was looking in the right direction, it could theoretically detect an alien ship in our OWN solar system.

Historically a colony's job is not to be independent and self sufficient.

1. Pay your taxes we levy on you.

2. Fight our wars.

3. Accept our dribble off excess population.

4. Buy our crap.

5. Send us your resources, that are actually our resources, since we own you.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Societies have rules, but rules that contradict with natural law are not legitimate rules.

No government has a right to infringe on its citizens natural right to life, liberty and property. Thus a law establishing the right to keep slaves is not a legitimate law. And a law ensuring that colonies pay all the duties of being a citizen but reap none of the benefits is grounds for declaring independence.

There's no indication that the Federation's policies violate natural law. It's got a fundamental respect for life and freedom, I suppose you could strongly argue that it does not respect right to property.

 

[Jedman67]

Historically a colony's job is not to be independent and self sufficient.

1. Pay your taxes we levy on you.

2. Fight our wars.

3. Accept our dribble off excess population.

4. Buy our crap.

5. Send us your resources, that are actually our resources, since we own you.

Hah, well the federation is described as being a benevolent master, so i would disagree on this.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Taxes (paid in resources) to Earth because they're an Earth Colony vs. Dues (paid in resources) to the Federation because they're a Federation Member, vs. total self sufficiency wondering if the 9 fleets of marauders come to diddle your cattle, are going to leave anything standing if they leave.

The underhanded lawyerese about the Treaty of Organia, is that if an Earth Colony wants to give themselves over to the Klingons (while the treaty held, which it didn't for very long.), the Federation and Starfleet couldn't do much about it.