Calling Janeway Ma'm

[mysticgeek]

Perhaps I am missed something but remember in the first episode Janeway says she prefers to be called "Captain" ... not "sir" and only "Ma'm" in a crunch.
So why do they always refer to her as Ma'm a lot more as the series progresses?

 

[RyuRoots]

Who knows? Maybe more people started to address her as "ma'am" as time passed, and eventually she just stopped correcting people.

 

[brcarthey]

Perhaps I am missed something but remember in the first episode Janeway says she prefers to be called "Captain" ... not "sir" and only "Ma'm" in a crunch.
So why do they always refer to her as Ma'm a lot more as the series progresses?

the only character who did with any frequency was paris and i think that was more out of him being part rebellious and part teasing.

 

[mysticgeek]

mmmm.... that is a good point

 

[Tachyon]

They called her sir as well.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wonder how she would have reacted to've been called "Mammy"?

 

[Kirk1980]

I wish Tom had stayed a bit more 'problematic' than he did. He ended up as...kinda boring by the end.

I'd just call her Captain LAAAAAAAADY.

 

[Fish1941]

I wish Tom had stayed a bit more 'problematic' than he did. He ended up as...kinda boring by the end.

I'd just call her Captain LAAAAAAAADY.

So, you're into one-dimensional characterizations, in which fictional characters never develop?

 

[Thestral]

So, you're into one-dimensional characterizations, in which fictional characters never develop?

Why yes, he is a fan of Voyager, how could you tell?

 

[GotNoRice]

Perhaps I am missed something but remember in the first episode Janeway says she prefers to be called "Captain" ... not "sir" and only "Ma'm" in a crunch.
So why do they always refer to her as Ma'm a lot more as the series progresses?

I think they were still in the Alpha Quadrant in that scene, maybe they just had bigger things to worry about after that.

 

[KiraDax]

I think that Janeway realized that, after stranding them in the Delta Quadrant, she was probably not looked upon very kindly and had better pick her battles, being grossly out-numbered and all.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

She really wanted them to call her "mistress."

 

[kimc]

So, you're into one-dimensional characterizations, in which fictional characters never develop?

Why yes, he is a fan of Voyager, how could you tell?

Knock it off the both of you. Keep it about the posts and not the posters or it's a warning for flaming.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

I'd just call her Captain LAAAAAAAADY.

You're my kind of people.

 

[Kirk1980]

For being associated with a terrorist organization (COBRA for those of you not in the know), you're alright, Destro.

And Fish...how's that relate to one-dimensionality? There's a difference between 'dimensions' and 'development'. A character can 'develop' but still be one-dimensional. So too can a character still be a rebellious type but still have more than one dimension.

 

[KimMH]

It always irked my husband when they called her sir. He's ex-army and said they should have called her ma'am from the first epi - but I myself am a little fuzzy on the protocol. What are femal captins in the Air Force called? (As NASA is the offshoot of the AF and Earth's Starfleet was modeled roughly after NASA, etc . . . )

 

[kimc]

She prefers "captain".

 

[Star Wolf]

It always irked my husband when they called her sir. He's ex-army and said they should have called her ma'am from the first epi - but I myself am a little fuzzy on the protocol. What are femal captins in the Air Force called? (As NASA is the offshoot of the AF and Earth's Starfleet was modeled roughly after NASA, etc . . . )

Its not 2009 Earth were US and most militaries make a gender distinction. It had well been established that Starfleet did not keep the gender separation and always used "Sir". That is until it was a character who may become a love interest in a continuing TV show, that is when the "sirs", Lt Saavik, were dropped so not to confuse an audience in 20th century America. The mention in the first episode is just for the Trekker, not the general public needed to make the show successful.

 

[arasam22]

i always thought it was weird when people called female officers sir in TNG (and DS9? idk if it ever happened there). but i guess i got used to it, because it kinda startled me to hear paris call janeway ma'am.

 

[Star Wolf]

Back to 2009 Earth. Senator Boxer just dressed down a General testifying to her committee for calling her 'ma'am" and not Senator. Obviously she sees ma'am and madam as a pejorative given to women of an earlier era of human development. Janeway is thus a throw back to the old ways of the 1900s.