I think Saavik was adressed as "Mister Saavik" in TWOK... now that was a bit weird.
Calling Janeway Ma'm
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Could be Boxer's interpretation but I've never heard of a male insist on Senator after serving for 20 years and not sir. I've heard the half jokes about new generals wanting to hear general instead of the general in nature sir to relate to their higher rank. I can't see W saying its president. Damnn't if someone called him sir.
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Well Starfleet had been gender nuetralized at least since TWOK. Janeway as the female lead couldn't be too butch so they pulled back from using "sir" as with Colonel Kira or the one picture and out plan for Lt Saavik and reverted to using ma'am for the grandmotherly then motherly role of Janeway so not to confuse general audience
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=e...hakoteya.net++ma'am+janeway&btnG=Search&meta=
On a google site search of a star trek script site I frequent, I discovered that the words "ma'am" and "Janeway" was used 100 times in connection with one another. Following the link above will take you directly to the scripts in question and lines in question.
Meanwhile...
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=e...hakoteya.net++ma'am+janeway&btnG=Search&meta=
There were four pages that had the word "ma'am" connected with the word "Kira". And with three of them locus, they were talking about the woman standing beside Kira.
On a google site search of a star trek script site I frequent, I discovered that the words "ma'am" and "Janeway" was used 100 times in connection with one another. Following the link above will take you directly to the scripts in question and lines in question.
Meanwhile...
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=e...hakoteya.net++ma'am+janeway&btnG=Search&meta=
There were four pages that had the word "ma'am" connected with the word "Kira". And with three of them locus, they were talking about the woman standing beside Kira.
I think anyone in a serious leadership position who is spending time worrying about whether they should be called ma'am/sir/captain/senator or whatever has their priorities in the wrong place.
In the wrong place?
HA!
You made a funny!
But it's prison rules. First day you pick a fight with the toughest bastard iin your cell block, and then they leave you alone after that... In theory.
What a crew of milksops that kim is cast in "that" role.
On Friends, Monica hired Joey to be "fired and chewed out" when things were going wrong at work because no one respected her. Maybe Kim was just a cut out she brought along for the first day to prove to her real crew that she had chops, and after the first mission, she was going to send him back to the gutter playing sax for scraps where she found him?
HA!
You made a funny!
But it's prison rules. First day you pick a fight with the toughest bastard iin your cell block, and then they leave you alone after that... In theory.
What a crew of milksops that kim is cast in "that" role.
On Friends, Monica hired Joey to be "fired and chewed out" when things were going wrong at work because no one respected her. Maybe Kim was just a cut out she brought along for the first day to prove to her real crew that she had chops, and after the first mission, she was going to send him back to the gutter playing sax for scraps where she found him?
I just figured Tom was going to call her Ma'm regardless. Remember, he was always such a baddass.
It seemed to me that it was his way of showing her a deeper respect than, Sir. He wouldn't call any female captain, Ma'm. And I think Janeway got that.
It seemed to me that it was his way of showing her a deeper respect than, Sir. He wouldn't call any female captain, Ma'm. And I think Janeway got that.
My favourite... "Yes ma'am, his Army of Evil."
Neelix said he was licentious and I think that about covers it.
Everytime he called her "ma'am" he was asking her to take her uniform off.
Neelix said he was licentious and I think that about covers it.
Everytime he called her "ma'am" he was asking her to take her uniform off.
I lived with a woman for a time, and she got herself a lodger fresh of the boat from Pakistan when she was 26... There was this once, when he *&^%ed up so bad, that he went into his inane-super-obsequious-apology-mode, that he called her "Madam" which is obvious the long version of Ma'am, and she freaked because, dropped as a baby we were sure he was, if you didn't stop this right now, it was going to go on forever... "Don't call me that" she said, "why" he replied, "it is simply a term of respect (he was older than her.) so why shouldn't I call you madam?" This could have gone on in a loop forever too, so we went straight to the jugular of the matter "A madam is what you call the person who owns a brothel."
Voyager would have been a hell of a lot more welcome in these strange foreign areas of space if Janway was a ma'am, a "madam" and and aliens arrived with coin, resources, technology and the such to exchange for minutes to hours on the hoodeck making their ludest dreams come true.
Voyager would have been a hell of a lot more welcome in these strange foreign areas of space if Janway was a ma'am, a "madam" and and aliens arrived with coin, resources, technology and the such to exchange for minutes to hours on the hoodeck making their ludest dreams come true.
That would be "sir", "random officer who outranks me", or "officer of unknown rank" just to be sure. Starfleet protocol, and "this will be a Starfleet ship" says the correct address is "sir", the duty position, or the actual rank. TPTB, probably at UPN, most likely made the decision to call Janeway "ma'am".
Maybe this is what drove her insane? They kept calling her ma'am no matter what she did to them?
Thats a strange way for a senator to behave because in the military to address an individual as "sir" or "ma'am" is a term of respect for ones superior. By calling the senator ma'am he was essentially acknowledging her as a superior in a respectful manner/
On topic, its something that I've found irksome about trek in general as well. I hear the argument that its done because in the future there is no gender distinction, but if anything calling women "sir" seems to be more disrespectful than not. It sort of implies that being a female isn't good enough and that they have to take on a mans title to be respected
Ma'am = Old.
Did Janeway call everyone younger than her a Master or Mistress?
Did Janeway call everyone younger than her a Master or Mistress?
The insinuation that no female officer would wish to be called ma'am because it indicates they are female IS silly as you point out. I just couldn't quite find the right way to say it. Thank you.
