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Call to Arms - What was it like?

Ooof. Long post. In the last 24 hours I have watched New Picard and Old DS9. I am living my best Star Trek life!

The Sound of Her Voice:
The Bad -- I don't buy Quark hanging out with Jake and also just giving up at all. I kept waiting for his double double cross.
The Good -- I totally buy Quark and Odo.
The Ugly -- This felt like a MASH episode. And not in a good way.

OBut overall not bad. It had many MANY saving graces.

I knew there would be a twist with the survivor. I was afraid it would be a trap.

"...because someday we're going to wake up and we're going to find that someone is missing from this circle, and on that day we're going to mourn, and we shouldn't have to mourn alone." Camera settles on Jadzia. DS9 being Joss Whedon even before Joss was.

Tears of the Prophets:
Well. Might as well "live" stream this one. Coffee. Big screen TV. Time to watch. When I open Amazon I can see the thumbnail for a couple of episodes later and Ezri is smiling back at me. Gulp.

OK, here we go...

The is a STUFF IS HAPPENING episode. Did people know when it aired that Farrell was leaving? I know we knew when Denise Crosby was leaving. I didn't even know anything about Jennifer Lien / Jeri Ryan.

I'm getting emotional at the opening credits. Oh boy...

"It WAS a private matter."

It's a full house on the guest star list. Garak, Martog, Weyoon, Vic, Damar. No Kasidy? (Frak, I just googled for the spelling and I got back Yates-Sisko. It's tough staying unspoiled 25 years after the fact.)

Excelsior class! It's like the Anakin Skywalker of Star Trek ships! (We get way more of it than the TMP Enterprise class that we actually wanted and it's also way better on television than it was in the movies.)

Hey look! David Birney! And TNG uniforms! This episode must have been spendy! (This is how cool the Romulans should always be. This is Balance of Terror cool!)

Seriously Vic even sings like Alan Arkin.

Vic is a rogue AI and must be destroyed. Of course we all love him. That's the insidious part!

Worf and Jadzia can't go on missions but Jake can go on the Defiant? Face it, Ben would fold like a wet foldy thing if Jake was in trouble. Bill Adama had more backbone about his kids.

Do the Prophets ever take faces that aren't already paid for in the episode?

Dukat has a Space Lighter. Cool.

Dukat starts opening the whatever that is: "I find myself uncomfortable with this Jewish ritual. Are you sure it's necessary?"

"I've been helping you to avoid me"

"It's an ungodly hour to go to war."

Oh damn, Jadzia is staying behind.

Ahhhh the Big Ass CG Fleet. This is probably as good as it gets. Too many ships and they're all RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. Eventually we get to Picard. It's SPACE, people! (But congratulations to Mr. Stipes all the same.)

"You're a good friend." "And I always have been and I always will be." Awwww, poor Julian.

As if millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Kira has a sidearm? Does she always or is this Chekhov's (no, the other one) gun?

That's a lovely Galaxy class! Three cheers for the fat one!

Doctor Bashir?
Better get down here. Better hurry.

When Kira walked into the office, the first thing I looked for was the baseball.

After watching:
Well. Not ENTIRELY what I was expecting. It was big. Very big. But not THE BIGGEST THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN. OTOH, the wormhole is closed. Which is big. It was oddly understated AND epic.

Garak was wasted in this episode. But nice that they made sure that Andrew got paid.

On the one hand it's nice to see people congregating and having a religious community just because it's so "human". And because it's Star Trek it's somewhat hand waved as saying "It's OK because the wormhole aliens are actually real." Except I can't help but think that if this was TNG there would be a whole episode of Picard denouncing the WHA as something the Bajorans need to outgrow.

This episode shows off some of the remarkable aspects of DS9. In any other show (especially a Star Trek show) the moment Jadzia and Worf are talking about a family that would have been a death sentence. Except on DS9 it has actually happened. It's part of the tragedy not part of the trope. If Farrell had been able to stay I have no doubt this is where it would have gone.

Same with Sisko: You can be the Emissary or Starfleet, not both. OK. But in DS9 you didn't really know which way he'll jump. I could have seen him taking the Defiant and it all going horribly wrong or him staying on DS9 and it all going horribly wrong.

Jadzia's death had the Iron Man problem. Who gets to say goodbye? (Peter? Steve? Rhodey? Pepper?) And they split the difference between Worf in the moment and Sisko after the fact very well. Fine performances from both.

Arrrrgh, WHY? I'm not a Berman hater. He gave us 15+ years of Star Trek. But, jeez, man.

They gave Farrell a lot to do so she didn't need a death scene. I was a little grudging that they gave her last words to say to Worf just because of how it played out. But... sniffle.

It's annoying that this was motivated by contracts and not by story.

Oh, last thing: It's a Jay Chattaway score that I didn't immediately peg for a JC score. Nice job, Jay!

On to season SEVEN!
 
Do the Prophets ever take faces that aren't already paid for in the episode?

Prophet (in vision): We are unconstrained by that what you call 'linear time'. However, we are constrained by that which some of your species' members so pompously declare they've evolved beyond.
Sisko: Eh?
Prophet: Money. We are of Bajor, but this 'celestial temple' is of the Q continuum, and renting it ain't cheap.
 
Out of universe: yes, it's all about who is actually already in that episode.

In-universe: they are taking the forms of people in the person's memories, and are relevant to that time. I actually wondered for years why they not only changed people but also locations within the same vision. I figured out that there is a pattern to the location, who is speaking, and what message is trying to be conveyed. An obvious one is the pilot, when Sisko is on the Saratoga with Jennifer dead under the wreckage. It was clear he was trapped in that memory, a point that the Prophets made clear to Sisko when they say, "You exist here."

While I haven't figured out all of the visions' location meanings throughout the show, I do know that at least the emotion or mood of what is trying to be said in each piece of dialogue is reflected by the location, which is why it switches often within the same vision. Like in "SACRIFICE OF ANGELS", when the Prophets say 'a pennance must be exacted', it was in Ops, which is where serious and official business is conducted.
 
Given Kira's childhood, I'd be surprised if she was NOT carrying a weapon at all times. For diplomatic occassions she probably just tucks it away in a pocket in her uniform where it can't be seen.
 
I thought about creating a season 7 thread. But what the heck, we're here. Press on!

Images in the Sand / Shadows and Symbols --
I'm realizing that this episode and the next might not be entirely separate to me.

Why the F--- isn't Kasidy around? Ben up and runs away from DS9, Starfleet, the war, Bajor, and HER and we're not even going to talk about it?

Ezri - WHAT AN ENTRANCE.

Holy crap, they brought back Benny!

"Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your mother." Ehhhh I'm not as cool with this. (Hey, I just remembered Brock Peters played Darth Vader. Ha!)

Am I the only one who was kind of expecting the Orb of the Emissary to BE the baseball? (BE THE BALL, Ben.)

Someone thought "Hey, I miss Kira from the pilot episode!" The Romulan intrigue was the best part of this.

Martog is the answer to everything!

Good stuff. Nice balance between wrapping up and getting on with it.

Afterimage --
This is my favorite Dax story. Ever. It's also a great Garak story. It's even a great Worf story. It's got good Bashir and Quark stuff.

I could write about this for a long time. It's so good. This episode should really be very high on DS9 lists. Hell, Star Trek lists. (I gather it isn't? We can't have nice things.)

Are there really people who don't like Ezri? How? I mean, obviously we are in the place of all other the characters in the show. We lost someone. We have to accept someone new. And it nails ALL of the weirdness of the Trill and what that must be like for the host's loved ones WHILE it's addressing us as the audience. They've tried to do stories like this before, but we didn't know the previous Dax's or the people they knew. We do here.

And then Ezri runs and hides in the temple, realizes where she is, and breaks down. Yikes. Wow. Yay!

For what the situation is and was in real life, they tailored (sorry, Garak) Ezri's story perfectly.

Take Me Out to the Holosuite --
That was the most enjoyable hour of television I have ever watched. And I just binged Ted Lasso. It's perfect. It's note perfect in every minute and every frame.

It's not just goofy fun with The Crew. It's goofy fun that hits on everybody's characters where it should hit. It has THREE Ferengi as a major part of the plot and they're all good. (Yes, Max Grodénchik being a real baseball player adds to the fun.)

"Death to the opposition!"

Odo. Just... All of Odo.

Oh, and Kasidy turning straight around and telling the crew Ben's story. And it's not a big deal. It's not the third act downturn, anything like that. It's direct, it has character for everyone. It's just great.

It's... I mean it's just the best. If I didn't want to see the end of the show so much I might almost stop here.

Oh, and I love the fact that the Star Trek: The Motion Picture typeface exists in-universe.
 
Yeah, season 7 came out of the box with a bang. I liked that Jadzia's death took real time to get over. I wasn't thrilled about the "Ben, your birth was totally manipulated" schtick. Martok was always a joy - Best Klingon Evar IMNSHO.

I never understood how anyone could dislike Ezri either. She's just so sweet!

And Garak! Lesser shows would never have given him so much amazing development. Plus Robinson added such depth to him.

Take Me Out to the Holosuite was such a necessary episode and so fun. I had no idea Max actually played - very cool.

I'm glad you got to see Ted Lasso! Everyone should see Ted Lasso! I might have to get Apple+ next month for season 3. :hugegrin:
 
Yeah, season 7 came out of the box with a bang. I liked that Jadzia's death took real time to get over. I wasn't thrilled about the "Ben, your birth was totally manipulated" schtick. Martok was always a joy - Best Klingon Evar IMNSHO.

In itself, I had no problems with the prophets ensuring Ben's birth. But I don't like the implication that it was never Sarah's choice (the human I mean), that she was merely some kind of puppet.
 
In itself, I had no problems with the prophets ensuring Ben's birth. But I don't like the implication that it was never Sarah's choice (the human I mean), that she was merely some kind of puppet.
What? The Prophets might be jerks? Noooooo!

OTOH, the Prophets in The Emissary seemed totally baffled by us linears. Either that doesn't seem to square with this revelation or I just need to keep watching.
 
OTOH, the Prophets in The Emissary seemed totally baffled by us linears. Either that doesn't seem to square with this revelation or I just need to keep watching.

The history Joseph Sisko tells about in Image in the Sand happened before the events in Emissary, but the Prophets are not bound by linear time. So they could have been utterly baffled by the concept of linear time in Emissary, and then learned about linear time and caused the parents of Sisko to meet in (what is to us) the past. Past, present and future may all be equally 'now' to them.
 
I don't remember watching this episode in 1997, but when I was going through the DVDs in 2003, it seemed like a lot of the season 5 episodes just left me shocked. I couldn't believe In Purgatory's Shadow was just a midseason episode because that in itself could have been a finale. When it came to Call to Arms, I think the fleet moving away from the Station is a much better visual than Mr. Worf, Fire. Granted I've seen Best of Both Worlds so many times, but to get to the end of Call to Arms and the good guys lost, that was ballsy.
 
OK, catchup time! I took some notes and otherwise I have to rely on memory.

Chrysalis -
It's an "Oh, how is this all going to go wrong?" episode. I read that this was meant to be a straight up Flowers for Algernon story. Thank heavens they didn't do that. The musical section was wonderful.

Treachery, Faith and the Great River -
A somewhat interesting Cardasian / Vorta / Odo episode. But the highlight was Nog. No, I didn't think I'd ever write that sentence either. The Great River is the closest they have ever come to making the Ferengi make sense. It's somewhat at odds with how they have ever been portrayed but that' just because Roddenberry's conception of them was a cartoon depiction of the world. (Which coming from someone who loved money more than most people I've ever heard of was pretty funny.)

Once More unto the Breach -
Thus exits Kor. A fine performance from Calicos. I always wish they had done a better job of squaring the Klingons that we saw in TOS with the noble warriors we got in TNG era Trek. This came closest. Nice to see Martok being a petulant jerk. Just to mix things up.

The Siege of AR-558 -
Well. An almost by the numbers "Into the valley of death" kind of episode but they sidestepped many cliche's. For one thing they never had the "We're dying for nothing important" moment. As far as we know at the end, it was still a worthy (or at least necessary) goal.

Quark was awesome although I think they "nobled" him up a bit. "Would you send Jake?" The answer should have been "Yes."

Nog's scream when he got hit was amazing. Just because it was... Real? It wasn't heroic. But it didn't play as comic (obviously) or cowardly? (Looking for a better word.) It just wasn't Hollywood is all.

Composer Paul Baillargeon gives us his best Ennio Morricone. Very nice.

Covenant -
Better than it should have been. Dukat doesn't twist his mustache TOO much. Ron Moore looked at the airlock scene and said "Hey, I bet I can make a whole series based on this!"

It's Only a Paper Moon -
Wow. It's a holodeck episode. It's a Ferengi episode. The two banes of Star Trek. And I loved it! A whole episode based on two supporting characters! DS9 is truly the crown jewel of Trek!

I want some of Nog's clothes from this episode.

The Searchers? Who was in that one again? John Wayne and...

Also Vic is a rogue AI and must be destroyed. (He can't be activated on command? Come on. EVIL!)

Prodigal Daughter -
Another good one. Colm Meaney may be the best actor in Star Trek.

It's an interesting look at the non-joined Trill. They seem a little clueless about the whole thing. But it's a good Ezri episode. And it's directed by Potsie!

How do these economics work, anyway? You're a warp capable society with interactions with the Federation. How do they not just flood your economy with all their money-free goods? (It's just a loop hole for the writers to get to write about crime and greed and all that.) Miners. In Star Trek it's always miners!
 
Treachery, Faith and the Great River -
But the highlight was Nog. No, I didn't think I'd ever write that sentence either.
Nog became one of my all time favorite characters in *any* Star Trek. His arc just blew me away. I cried my eyes out when Aron died.

The Siege of AR-558
Nog's scream when he got hit was amazing. Just because it was... Real? It wasn't heroic. But it didn't play as comic (obviously) or cowardly? (Looking for a better word.) It just wasn't Hollywood is all.
"Real" was the right word. I flinch just thinking about it.

It's Only a Paper Moon -
Wow. It's a holodeck episode. It's a Ferengi episode. The two banes of Star Trek. And I loved it! A whole episode based on two supporting characters! DS9 is truly the crown jewel of Trek!
This is one of my favorite episodes of any show ever. Just perfect.

I want some of Nog's clothes from this episode.
I think they'd be a tad short on you! :lol:

The only thing I remember not liking much from these eps were the Pah-Wraiths. I thought the idea was trite and overdone. Marc's performance helped though. I wonder what I'd think now... [eyes dvds][/QUOTE]
 
It's Only a Paper Moon -
Wow. It's a holodeck episode. It's a Ferengi episode. The two banes of Star Trek. And I loved it! A whole episode based on two supporting characters! DS9 is truly the crown jewel of Trek!

I want some of Nog's clothes from this episode.

The Searchers? Who was in that one again? John Wayne and...

John Wayne and the original Captain Pike himself. I gotta think that’s at least partially the reason it got name dropped specifically.
 
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