And the Vorgons, of course.
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Again, how do you figure? What do you base this on?
Making it up, gotcha.
I don't wanna derail the thread, but I was just reading the posts about Star Trek 09, mostly on Page 2 of this thread. Regarding whether it changed the timeline completely or if it just created an alternate reality, with the conceit being yes "NuTrek" is an alternate reality and the "Prime Trek" timeline still exists.
The whole "going through a wormhole/blackhole thing back in time and changing things" reminds me far far more of Yesterday's Enterprise than it does Parralels. And in that it seems clear that the timeline had changed. If it were just an alternate reality now why were the likes of Picard and especially Guinan bothered? That this was all wrong and had to be changed back. What's the difference between that incident and the one in Trek 09?
I'm only curious and asking a question btw, not arguing or anything
The whole "going through a wormhole/blackhole thing back in time and changing things" reminds me far far more of Yesterday's Enterprise than it does Parralels. And in that it seems clear that the timeline had changed. If it were just an alternate reality now why were the likes of Picard and especially Guinan bothered? That this was all wrong and had to be changed back. What's the difference between that incident and the one in Trek 09?
I'm only curious and asking a question btw, not arguing or anything
^ Ask @Christopher.
As best I can, I'll give the "Cliff's Notes" version:
The reason that ST09 created a wholly new timeline, and didn't alter the existing one, is that no "information" was exchanged between the two timelines. The black hole, created by the red matter, was a strictly one-way process. Nero and Spock Prime travelled through it, but nothing was passed back to the original timeline, which was not altered.
In "Yesterday's Enterprise", on the other hand, the wormhole through which the Enterprise-C fell, was a two-way process. Information was freely exchanged in both directions. Thus, the original timeline was altered, as we saw.
Again, this is an extremely simplified version of what happened. If you want details...like I said, ask @Christopher.
As best I can, I'll give the "Cliff's Notes" version:
The reason that ST09 created a wholly new timeline, and didn't alter the existing one, is that no "information" was exchanged between the two timelines. The black hole, created by the red matter, was a strictly one-way process. Nero and Spock Prime travelled through it, but nothing was passed back to the original timeline, which was not altered.
In "Yesterday's Enterprise", on the other hand, the wormhole through which the Enterprise-C fell, was a two-way process. Information was freely exchanged in both directions. Thus, the original timeline was altered, as we saw.
Again, this is an extremely simplified version of what happened. If you want details...like I said, ask @Christopher.
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It has been around since tomorrow afternoon. They'll be disbanded yesterday
Oh and also in ST: First Contact, the Borg Sphere goes back in time and changes the timeline just like the Narada did. And from the POV of "Trek Prime" the universe is totally changed and Earth is now assimilated (the Enterprise-E and crew protected from the timeline changes due to 'caught in temporal wake' technobabble)
One post above said from the POV of Trek Prime, Spock and the Narada simply disappeared. Well that's not what happened in FC, otherwise it'd be a fairly short movie. Picard- "Actually we don't have to go back and repair whatever damage they've done, as it'll just be an alternate timeline anyway... I'm off to finish listening to Berlioz."
And other examples, TOS City on the Edge of Forever, DS9 Past Tense, etc. So aside from appeasing the fanbase I suppose, I've never really understood the difference. Again, I'm only asking.
EDIT- Ah, Mr Laser Beam has added to his post above. Hm, I'll have to think about that, I'm tired right now and it's hard for my brain to think about these things at the mo
One post above said from the POV of Trek Prime, Spock and the Narada simply disappeared. Well that's not what happened in FC, otherwise it'd be a fairly short movie. Picard- "Actually we don't have to go back and repair whatever damage they've done, as it'll just be an alternate timeline anyway... I'm off to finish listening to Berlioz."
And other examples, TOS City on the Edge of Forever, DS9 Past Tense, etc. So aside from appeasing the fanbase I suppose, I've never really understood the difference. Again, I'm only asking.
EDIT- Ah, Mr Laser Beam has added to his post above. Hm, I'll have to think about that, I'm tired right now and it's hard for my brain to think about these things at the mo
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And reinstated four hundred years ago.
The 29th century time fleet have no interest in altering time travel incidents that do not involve any time period prior to their establishment. They are interested in preserving the past that existed at the time of their founding. At most they keep an eye on any paradoxes that may need to be cleaned up. That's why they don't go back in time and stop Janeway from being born or anything like that.
I'm sure no 29th century person terribly wants to mess with whether or not the Federation of 2377 received a 21 year anti-Borg technology advancement overnight.
The DTI and Section 31 of 2377 don't terribly mind this either.
I'm sure no 29th century person terribly wants to mess with whether or not the Federation of 2377 received a 21 year anti-Borg technology advancement overnight.
The DTI and Section 31 of 2377 don't terribly mind this either.
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