BUT I'm a cheerleader!

[Tentacle]

Kirk being promoted to captain...Nuff said.

Picard jumped up a few steps to become captain at a young age during battle. Kirk was an officer as a cadet in the prime universe and a captain a few years later. Trilla Scott was a very young captain. Saavik was put in command as a cadet a couple times. Kirk's rise was meteoric, I'll grant you that, but that was done for the sake of dramatic expediency and to get everything in its proper place by the end of the film. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief quite a bit for the sake of advancing the plot.

Advancing the plot? The movie has ended. There is no more plot, maybe there was never any to begin with, but that’s not the point. The movie was ending they could of done a number of things to make that scene less contrived.

And lets not forget about the corvette scene. That had all be discussed in the Nemesis thread which was closed due to immaturity on the part of the cheerleaders.

What about it? Yeah, the kid was rebelling against his abusive uncle and making a cry for help to his Starfleet mom who left him there. He was also pissed about his dead father and was acting out for attention.

Abusive uncle? Where are you getting all this crap? Nowhere in the movie was it mentioned anything about an abusive uncle.

It was an ultimately unecessary scene, but not completely unprecendented pre-teen or early teen rebelliousness.
Calling people cheerleaders and immature certainly doesn't get your point across in a reasonable way or make people take you seriously.

Like I said it before its a blatant product placement and an ego stroke for the teens. All of all those people cant stand the dune buggy in Nemesis why are you all of sudden so forgiving of this? Because the car is cooler? As for calling people immature, that was direct at those 1 liners that for lack of a decent response, pick on some one’s grammar. And if you took the time to read through that thread, you’ll see where the immaturity lies.

I think I've rebutted your points in quite an in-depth manner and without "cheerleading" in any way. It's a silly complaint to expect every subsequent poster in a topic to go into the ridiculous level of detail in their responses that I did though.

Yes you certainly have put alot of thought into this, and I appreciate thoughtfulness, I may not agree with your points, but I respect you response enough to dial down my tone significantly as it was promised to a certain someone. Which is why this whole thread got started in the first place. All the 1 liners and name callers didn’t appreciated being called on it. And it took someone else to defend them in this thread. And I certainly did not include you in the cheerleader category. Or the OP of this thread, he took upon himself to wear that crown.


P.S. if your post is war and peace then that would make my post seen like Encyclopaedia Britannica

 

[urbandk]

brev⋅i⋅ty
  /ˈbrɛvɪti/
–noun
1. shortness of time or duration; briefness: the brevity of human life.
2. the quality of expressing much in few words; terseness: Brevity is the soul of wit.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Advancing the plot? The movie has ended. There is no more plot, maybe there was never any to begin with, but that’s not the point. The movie was ending they could of done a number of things to make that scene less contrived.

Advancing it to the point where the next film can be more of a straight-up action-adventure with everyone in their expected positions without having to worry about an origin story anymore. You knew that's what I was saying.

Abusive uncle? Where are you getting all this crap? Nowhere in the movie was it mentioned anything about an abusive uncle.

It wasn't in the movie, but it was the writer's original intent and still may have influenced the later Corvette scene, which is why I mentioned it. The scene with the uncle was deleted from the film. Originally it was going to be his abusive uncle Frank (likely of "this is my uncle's barn in Iowa" fame in 'Generations'), but it was changed to his stepfather, who was the voice on the phone in the Corvette. Greg Grunberg provided the voice, and was listed as "Stepdad" in the credits.

Like I said it before its a blatant product placement and an ego stroke for the teens. All of all those people cant stand the dune buggy in Nemesis why are you all of sudden so forgiving of this? Because the car is cooler?

Well, it's nothing like the dune buggy chase in 'Nemesis' for one, apart from both involving wheeled vehicles.

It's an antique car collector's piece as opposed to being a vehicle designed for potentially dangerous frontline recon, exploration, and combat, in which case you have to question the practicality of a dune buggy over a hover car that could just speed over the terrain. Personally, I don't have a problem with the concept of the dune buggy in an of itself, since it was made pretty clear from his reaction to getting a test drive that Picard had likely chosen it specifically for being a primitive ground vehicle so he could get the feel of the road and work off his mid-life crisis. I think people have more of a problem with Picard's blatant disregard of the Prime Directive in that sequence more than anything else.

Yes you certainly have put alot of thought into this, and I appreciate thoughtfulness, I may not agree with your points, but I respect you response enough to dial down my tone significantly as it was promised to a certain someone.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

 

[Squiggy]

6 posts in a row? You're doing it wrong.

 

[indranee]

isn't that warnable? I know I got some of my warnings from posting more than twice in a row. where're the mods? too early for them, eh?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

6 posts in a row? You're doing it wrong.

Sweet Christ. I didn't know there was more on the previous page. I thought his only response to me was his one post on this page.

 

[Middle Earther]

Oh, I think that...*reads thread* Crap!...*backs out slowly*

 

[Cakes488]

And the "Sulu bringing a knife to a gun fight", bladed weapons, usual combat and/or survival knives are standard gear for servicemembers in the field. And a sword that can collapse to a compactible state, why not?

Plus, the most important reason of all: a folding Katana is friggin' badass and that scene was awesome. Sulu busting off his helmet and striking a pose got some of the biggest cheers in the movie, which, when you get right down to it, is what they're going for far more than plausibility.

Maybe Sulu never learned about "the Chicago way."

Gimme an S...gimmie a T....gimmie a A...gimmie a R....gimmie a T..gimmie a R...gimmie a E...gimmie K...what's that spell! STAR TREK....what's that spell...?? STAR TREK.

Oh yeah you're a cheerleader alright...

So according to your posts.....you have not one complaint with this movie huh...it was just a friggin cinematic masterpeice huh?

 

[urbandk]

And the "Sulu bringing a knife to a gun fight", bladed weapons, usual combat and/or survival knives are standard gear for servicemembers in the field. And a sword that can collapse to a compactible state, why not?

Plus, the most important reason of all: a folding Katana is friggin' badass and that scene was awesome. Sulu busting off his helmet and striking a pose got some of the biggest cheers in the movie, which, when you get right down to it, is what they're going for far more than plausibility.

Maybe Sulu never learned about "the Chicago way."

Gimme an S...gimmie a T....gimmie a A...gimmie a R....gimmie a T..gimmie a R...gimmie a E...gimmie K...what's that spell! STAR TREK....what's that spell...?? STAR TREK.

Oh yeah you're a cheerleader alright...

So according to your posts.....you have not one complaint with this movie huh...it was just a friggin cinematic masterpeice huh?

Cakes, did you read his responses to Mr. Rambling Tentacles?

At least on two occasions he agreed with Mr. T's criticisms, namely with respect to the use of Nero and Kirk and Spock's unlikely meeting.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

And the "Sulu bringing a knife to a gun fight", bladed weapons, usual combat and/or survival knives are standard gear for servicemembers in the field. And a sword that can collapse to a compactible state, why not?

Plus, the most important reason of all: a folding Katana is friggin' badass and that scene was awesome. Sulu busting off his helmet and striking a pose got some of the biggest cheers in the movie, which, when you get right down to it, is what they're going for far more than plausibility.

Maybe Sulu never learned about "the Chicago way."

Gimme an S...gimmie a T....gimmie a A...gimmie a R....gimmie a T..gimmie a R...gimmie a E...gimmie K...what's that spell! STAR TREK....what's that spell...?? STAR TREK.

Oh yeah you're a cheerleader alright...

So according to your posts.....you have not one complaint with this movie huh...it was just a friggin cinematic masterpeice huh?

You got all of that from me finding a single scene cool? Because I know you certainly didn't read my previous long post in this thread (or you just skimmed it and assumed) or in other threads, or you would have noticed that I've made numerous criticisms of the movie. The poster I was responding too asked for a long rebuttal of his negative points about the movie, so naturally the majority of my responses would be positive, but I agreed with him on a few things.

No, it was not a "cinematic masterpiece," nor would I really include any of the Trek films in that category. They're mostly entertaining and often thought-provoking, but we're not talking high art here. It's space opera, and you usually have to greatly suspend your disbelief for all of them to work. I don't see why you went the cinematic masterpiece route from a description of a scene as "awesome" and "badass," anyway.

It was an extremely entertaining film with some great dramatic and character moments in my opinion, but the script was kind of a mess with a lot of plot holes, logical flaws, and missed opportunities. But those things don't outweigh the good aspects of the film for me by a longshot, and I can easily explain away the majority of them. I don't expect people to buy into my explanations, but I have fun thinking them up and discussing them with others, which is what this forum is all about, right?

Hell, even my sig is making fun of the ridiculous all-caps EVIL design of Nero's ship by paraphrasing the description of the Kill-o-Zap gun from the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' series:

Kill-o-Zap gun

The Kill-o-Zap is a weapon first described in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe: "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. "Make it evil," he'd been told. "Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Billion_Year_Bunker

Though I've indulged you here, quite frankly I don't see why I or others have to justify their subjective opinion of the film to you or anyone else. If you don't like it, more power to you, but why do you feel the need to belittle others for enjoying it? Nothing I said deserved a roll-eyes or being called a "cheerleader" so you can easily dismiss my comments without having to respond to the points I made. You can argue the factual points about the movie 'til the cows come home and it wouldn't be an issue, but what are you trying to achieve by jumping on people's cases over their opinions?