What SHOULD we do to people who commit felonies?! Shake our finger at them and tell them not to do it again?!
Burnhams surprise at the fall of the Federation so far in the future....illogical?
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What SHOULD we do to people who commit felonies?! Shake our finger at them and tell them not to do it again?!
This is the part you're not getting. Police are specifically profiling black people. They'll arrest blacks. They'll cut deals with whites, who the police are not actively looking out for. And there's no way to trust if what police are saying is truthful. That's why they wear body cameras now. What they say and what actually happened are two different things.
This is getting to a point where the mods will say to take it to TNZ or the Misc Forum. So I'll cut it off. But this is where I stand.
But you made sure to like one of the posts on the subject...
Yup, I sure did. But, as Garth noted the mods would be stepping in soon enough. Rather not get a thread locked over it.
We should let them do their jobs, they'll let us know when they disapprove of the subject matter. They usually aren't a shy bunch.
By all means, please continue. *grabs popcorn.*
We should make sure to execute the black ones on the spot, just like cops are doing in so many situations right now.
I don't think it's in the best interests of the thread to continue talking about this. If I do, it's going to get pretty ugly because I feel pretty strongly about this issue. That's why I felt I had to bow out. Especially since it affected close friends of mine. So it's not just how the mods will likely weigh in. I don't want to make more work for them, I shouldn't have said anything in the first place, and it's a tangent that's taking us for away from Star Trek.
For the topic itself: I don't know if Burnham thought the Federation would last 1,000 years but the idea that something fell that she just fought to protect (from her point of view) probably doesn't feel very good. For Book, the Federation fell a long time ago. For Burnham, she was just there fighting for it. And when you're on an emotional high, like Burnham obviously was, you're going to have an emotional reaction like she did.
For the topic itself: I don't know if Burnham thought the Federation would last 1,000 years but the idea that something fell that she just fought to protect (from her point of view) probably doesn't feel very good. For Book, the Federation fell a long time ago. For Burnham, she was just there fighting for it. And when you're on an emotional high, like Burnham obviously was, you're going to have an emotional reaction like she did.
Exactly on point. It wasn't that long for her and just because she was raised Vulcan doesn't mean that she automatically would just accept it.
If that were the case, the Vulcans should be teaching all humans how to deal with stuff logically.
Humans never seemed much interested in learning from the Vulcans.
Vulcans rarely seemed interested in teaching.
I thought that was the whole point of early-Enterprise, the Vulcans were trying to remold humanity in their image before they got out into interstellar space? In "Strange New World", Tucker talks of having a Vulcan teacher.
I mean it felt that way at first but thats about it. Vulcans seem largely to keep to themselves.
Nor should they have.
They were just jealous humans got their act together in less than 100 years when it took Vulcans thousands.
Star Trek ENT
Soval: [The Vulcans] don't know what to do about Humans. Of all the species we've made contact with, yours is the only one we can't define. You have the arrogance of Andorians, the stubborn pride of Tellerites.
Forrest: I'm sure those qualities are found in every species.
Soval: Not in such confusing abundance.
Burnham being shocked also comes down to her being a "true believer", which is part of what makes her a likely candidate to help rebuild the Federation.
There’s a few things to consider, with this:
1) Burnham has known the Federation all her life, and lives her own life by the Federation code, so to speak. It’s existed the entire time she’s been alive, so the idea that it may no longer exist probably hasn’t entered her mind.
2) The plan to travel forward in time was crafted during a very time-sensitive period. We didn’t see them discuss anything about what the future may be like when they get there, if I recall? So, she simply hasn’t had time to consider the very likely possibility that the Federation would not exist once she completed her journey through time.
3) For Burnham, this all happened in the blink of an eye. One minute, she was in the 2250’s, the Federation not yet even anywhere near its peak. The next, she’s in a strange new world, and she’s told there’s no Federation (mostly). All that, in the same day. It’s a lot to digest.
Hell, if she had time to stop and think about everything, she’d probably have soon also faced the harsh reality (to her) that the moment she arrived in 3188, Spock was long dead, from her perspective.
I think that’s all a lot to digest, at the best of times. All in the same day? Nigh on impossible.
1) Burnham has known the Federation all her life, and lives her own life by the Federation code, so to speak. It’s existed the entire time she’s been alive, so the idea that it may no longer exist probably hasn’t entered her mind.
2) The plan to travel forward in time was crafted during a very time-sensitive period. We didn’t see them discuss anything about what the future may be like when they get there, if I recall? So, she simply hasn’t had time to consider the very likely possibility that the Federation would not exist once she completed her journey through time.
3) For Burnham, this all happened in the blink of an eye. One minute, she was in the 2250’s, the Federation not yet even anywhere near its peak. The next, she’s in a strange new world, and she’s told there’s no Federation (mostly). All that, in the same day. It’s a lot to digest.
Hell, if she had time to stop and think about everything, she’d probably have soon also faced the harsh reality (to her) that the moment she arrived in 3188, Spock was long dead, from her perspective.
I think that’s all a lot to digest, at the best of times. All in the same day? Nigh on impossible.
I wouldn't be surprised, quite honestly, if Spock shows up in the 32nd century.
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