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Buffy Season Six...better than I remembered.

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So, I recently got the Season Six DVD set as a gift, and earlier tonight I finished watching it. I already had the first five seasons on DVD, but didn't really intend to buy S6 or S7. When S6 first aired back in 2001, I watched probably the first half or so. I think the last episode I watched was "Wrecked."

Anyway, aside from "Once More, With Feeling," I really, really disliked it. The first half of the season left such a bad taste that I gave up on the rest. Then I was at school when S7 aired, so I didn't really have a chance to watch it.

But for some reason, as I was going through the DVDs (I figured I may as well watch them, since it was a gift), I found myself enjoying the season a lot more than I had the first time. I still wouldn't put it anywhere near the show's heyday of Seasons Two and Three, or even Season Five, I was surprised at how much I liked (most of) it. Has this happened to anyone else?
 
I actually thought season six was a very good season, and particularly dark what with the whole Buffy-ressurection thing. It may have reduced in quality a little in the middle, but the start and end to the season were fantastic - especially with how the big bad came into being. It also had "once more with feeling" I think, which was an amazing episode IMO.

What I think makes season six such a good season for me was the continuing developments, and painful demise of one of my favourite relationships in Buffy's history. Especially since it's end was sudden, and left me rather shocked and upset at the time. It's not often the writing on a TV show does that to me - but season six of Buffy did.

But I'll agree that as a whole, the season doesn't quite match season two or three of Buffy - but Buffy the college years were never as good as Buffy the high school years IMO. But season six is definately up there with the best of them.
 
I used to completely despise this season and, when revisiting the series, stop watching after "The Body". I thought that was the last truly great episode and a good enough episode as any to end one's Buffy watching on (except that it's such a downer, and an uplifting finale is preferable). I used to just pretend season six and seven didn't exist.

Recently I decided to give season six another look and while I still don't much like the season as a whole, it does have a handful of excellent episodes. Particularly the ones towards the end (with Willow's gradual rise to power), "Normal Again", where Buffy thinks she's in a mental institution, and the one where the nerds keep playing tricks on Buffy. I like "Once More With Feeling", but it's not something I could enjoy watching multiple times.

The reason I can't dig the season overall is because all the major developments bother me in some way. I don't enjoy seeing Buffy and the gang out of school. I don't like what happens to Xander and Anya. I don't like what happens to Willow and Tara, and I hate the Buffy and Spike relationship. I don't think he should have been changed from a villain and while I like the "Troika" as villains, there wasn't enough done with them to sustain interest in them for a whole season (although they did have their great moments, particularly that "Life Serial" episode I mentioned).
 
I think watching Seasons straight through via DVDs rather than waiting week in week out over 6+ months always helps with slightly weaker seasons of TV shows

Season 6 isn't amazing, the weakest of the Buffyverse IMO, but it still ain't half bad, esp compared to the majority of shite on TV
 
I have always stood by my enjoyment of S6 (even in the face of extremely strong opposition), so it's good to see people who used to have a strong dislike of it changing their opinions somewhat. S6 is, IMO, very much indicative of what the series is about as a whole, despite - or perhaps because - the fact that it is a radical departure from the established BtVS formula. The only thing that I don't like about S6 is the execution of a few things in the latter part of the season (the biggest one being the destruction of Buffy and Spike's relationship, because I don't think the PTB quite thought out exactly what the consequences of Spike nearly raping Buffy were going to be from a real-world standpoint).
 
I actually think season 6 has a fantastic string of episodes at the beginning of the season, and again at the end of the season. "Bargaining" through "Tabula Rasa" is pretty solid, and then "Seeing Red" through "Grave" is a very strong, dramatic finish. It's the episodes in-between that are mostly mediocre, though they aren't all bad. The tone of the series definitely changes in season 6, and it never quite fully recovers, but there's still a lot to like.
 
Sometimes I've thought that Buffy should've ended with season 5. I just always thought of B as a gal to go out with a bang, and what better way to end a series on a high note then with the excellent season 5 finale. Especially since the last two seasons were such big dissapointments.

That said, there are some good episodes in S6. Particularly in the beginning and the end, as the poster above me so well points out.

One thing I really like in the first episode, is the way they the schoobies had found a way of doing the slaying without Buffy, and how her death brought them together. The schoobies camraderie and character interations in the first ep was really nice. And I actually think that they shoulda waited to revive Buffy for at least another 4-5 eps... It would of been really interesting to see how they dealt with the loss of Buffy, and it coulda made an interesting 3-4 ep arc about the revival of the Buffinator.

But as a whole, S6 just feels like one long, drawn out study in character assassination, from depressed emo Buffy to Xander dumping Anya at the altar, to Giles being a fool and not looking after them when they most need him, to Dawn becoming a slut and cleptomaniac, to Buffy at the doublemeat palace, to Anya turning into a revenge demon, to Willow becoming a junkie and pshycho witch, and finally the character assassination of the more physical kind---the killing of Tara.

So I can't really say I like how all the characters are ruined in S6. That together with the lacking quality makes this season pretty much a train wreck.

I also really really hate the nerd trio. They're so annoying, idiotic and lame. I wanted the schoobs to hunt demons, and instead they have to go chase some juvenile geeks. The trio was definitely THE moment when I felt like Buffy had jumped the shark.

And one more thing I hated... the double meat palace. Not only was it incredibly stupid for Buffy to work there (she coulda hunted monsters for a living, or taken advantage of her super powers, or asked Spike for help (which is what I would've done in her place)). But those stories were also really awful in every way.

And than another thing I didn't like... the almost complete lack of scooby interaction. Everyone is on their own, and the old schooby chemistry seems to be completely gone in this season. There is an episode where they are trapped in the house, I rather liked that episode actually cause it's like the only ep in S6 with any substantial schooby action.

And finally, if you like Buffy/Spike, then you might be disappointed with how they are threated in S6. Maybe you had hoped for at least a little romance and genuine intimacy, but it all seems to almost right away become a destructive affair where they abuse and degrade each other over and over. As somewhat of a Spuffy fan, I have to say that while some of the Spike/Buffy material was nice, pretty soon it's like it's all about the boink and nothing of the heart and romance. And also, their relationship ended way to soon---like after seven eps compared to Angel's and Riley's seasons of fullfilled shipping material. The way it ended was also really horrible: Riley---the guy who had abandoned Buffy in a really awful fasion and without saying goodbye---comes storming in to town like a knight in shiny armour and plays with Buffys feelings despite him being married. And then the monster eggs, the worst plot element of all time, it doesn't make much sense at all. I mean what does Spike need with a million bucks if all he ever buys is some booze and smoke? And if he didn't know what the eggs was, then why could't buffy forgive him, cause all the schoobies screws up at one time or another. And also, wasn't it big bad Spike that she fell in love with in the first place?

So in ending, the season redeems itself somewhat with the evil Willow arc, but not enough to make up for all the mediocre episodes and general crappiness of S6.
 
Season six got me back into Buffy! I hadn't watched since season three, and Sky had shown Buffy's grave as promo as if it were going out of fashion. My curiosty was peaked and I couldn't help watching one or two episodes. I bought all the DVDs when I became hooked, and then became uber-hooked.

In my long-winded way I'm saying that despite it having weaknesses, I have a soft spot for the season as it rekindled the Buffy love. Now don't get me wrong, it's not on the level set by seasons two, three or even five. It's definately better than the seventh!

I really enjoyed the majority of everything up until 'Tabula Rasa.' Buffy/Spike was new and interesting, made sense, and hadn't been trodden into the ground. Xander and Anya were still together. Giles leaving in 'Bargaining' was heartbreaking, although I suppose his departure in 'Tabula Rasa' seemed a little more harsh.

One of the biggest missed opportunites BTVS had was not showing Willow evolve naturally to the place we found her at the end of the season. Her magic could have developed her to the point where she had become all-powerful and corrupt, rather than the iffy story of being 'addicted' and going clean.

I also wish Dawn had been used more wisely. After season five she hardly had a role except to complain a lot. Something more should have been made about her being the key. Or anything really.
 
This season has it's supporters. I'm not one of them. I thought it was perverse, deconstructive, anti-heroic, soap opera rubish that was badly thought out and planned. It had it's moments at times though. The Trio could be funny. Once More With Feeling was inspired. Dark Willow was kind of cool in a fanboyish way. But overall it just lowered my opinion of the product and characters to the point where I just kind of felt my 5 previous years of viewership had been betrayed. They should have never brought it back after the high note that was season 5. Whedon and his characters would still have my respect. That being said, it was still better then season 7.
 
I quite like Giles' return and his little one-liner ("I'd like to test that theory!") at the end of "Two To Go."

In fact, I wish the network had aired "Two To Go" and "Grave" a week apart, rather than back to back on the same night, as that would have been one hell of an awesome cliffhanger.

Oh well.

I've been re-watching Buffy The Vampire Slayer these last few weeks... up to middle of season 4 right now, and one thing is really obvious now, after all these years. For all its accolades and groundbreakingness for its strong female characters, its impossible to ignore that with maybe the exception of Giles (and that's a BIG maybe), said strong female characters are partly so because all the male characters are portrayed as weak, inept, evil or just plain stupid. It definitely takes away from the specialness of the show and the aforementioned groundbreakingness for me, and while the situation is reversed on Angel (strong males, weak females) its not as glaring there as it is here.

Sorry. I think maybe I'll start a thread on this very topic of my own.

Season 6 had some great episodes, but I see why people don't like it. The Scoobies stopped going to school and the show really became another show that year and sort of lost its epic feel with the doors closed between it and Angel. And yes, season 7 was worse.

Also, I loved these little interstitial ads UPN aired in the weeks leading up to the season 6 premiere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49eXvIim7Ys
 
Season Six was unevenly executed, particularly its second act, but it remains my favourite season thematically. Seasons 6 and 7 enriched BtVS immensely, lending substance to style and more deeply texturing its characters.

I ran some numbers on IMDb a while back, without delving into the (boring) details, they certainly don't match the widespread perception of S6 as BtVS' weakest season.
 
I actually feel kind of bad for dogging on Season Six as much as I had in the past, now, especially since I'd only seen half of it.

Anyway, I'm making my way through Season Seven now. Figured I might as well round off the series; plus, it was only like $15 at Wal-Mart. I'm enjoying it so far. The last episode I watched was "Conversations with Dead People," which I thought was really well done. I'm pissed that they killed Jonathan, though. Andrew annoys the hell out of me.
 
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Yeah, I think they meant for Andrew to be that annoying. I'm not sure.

But I too was sad that Jonathan had to be the one to die.
 
He didn't have to die, though. He was easily the most redeemable of the Trio (with Warren obviously being the most not-at-all-redeemable), and from what I know of Andrew's role in the rest of S7, would have fit in with the gang just as well, if not better.

I wish they'd had Jonathan stick to his guns and stay in Sunnydale to do his time, like he told Andrew, and eventually end up working with the group. Andrew could have run off to Mexico and, preferably, never been seen again.
 
Yeah, I agree that would have been a much more preferable scenario. Have you seen seven through before, I mean do you know what happens?
 
I watched "Chosen" when it first aired (school was done by then), even though I had no idea what was going on. Other than that, all I know is just the basic gist--rounding up and training the Potentials, dealing with the First Evil, Nathan Fillion plays a psychotic preacher, etc. This is my first time actually going through and watching the whole season.
 
Ah, I see. I didn't want to slip and mention something that you didn't know about yet but it sounds like you don't have any surprises ahead, really. I only hope you enjoy the ride watching it through. It's definitely not perfect, but like season six, I don't think it's as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
 
Yeah, don't worry about spoiling me, I've already spoiled myself over the years. That was back when I didn't have much interest in watching the episodes. :lol:
 
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