Buffy Season Six...better than I remembered.
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Yeah, that Spike thing is the reason I hate seasons 6 and 7 (and a chunk of season 5, although I hate more of that season because of Glory) most of all. Given their history in the first four seasons, I could not buy them as a couple under any circumstances.
Even as a self-destructive relationship Buffy gets into just because she's going through a rough patch in her life. Even when they gave Spike beautifully romantic dialogue ("I've been alive one hundred and -- years and last night was the best night of my life and all I did was hold you and watch you sleep"). I thought him being in love with her and her reciprocating it (even if just physically) was just a stupid idea and smacked of the writers being out of ideas.
And yes, the bullet thing is ridiculous too! That always bugged me too. First of all, how or why would anyone half-assedly shoot a gun up as they run away? Warren had no reason to frantically run away and shoot like that. He was the one in control with the gun while Buffy and Xander were standing in front of him helplessly. I guess you could argue he just panicked in shock at his own ability to shoot someone, but still, even shooting upwards it's physically impossible for the bullet to hit Tara like that.
I've always liked the idea of Spike being in love with Buffy, but I never liked her reciprocating. This is how I see it.
Spike was obsessed with his mother and tried to be everything he thought she wanted him to be. When he was forced to kill her he moved his obsession over to Drusilla and became everything she wanted him to be (in this case a monster). When Drusilla dumped him and he was forced to live in Sunnydale with the chip he moved his obsession over to Buffy to fill the void Drusilla left in him. He then started trying to turn himself into a hero to be everything Buffy wanted him to be (in this case, more like Angel), but when he tried to rape her he realized he was incapable of being the hero she wanted him to be because of his lack of a soul. This leads in perfectly to him trying to win his soul back.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would keep the Spuffy romance exactly how it was in season 6. However I would make some serious changes to season 7. Spike originally got his soul to be able to win Buffy's love, but getting his soul turned out more traumatic than he thought it would be. He begins to, over the season, realize that he has never been his own man. He spent his entire life (and unlife) trying to live up to expectations set by others (his mother, Drusilla, and Buffy). He never truly loved Drusilla or Buffy; he just needed someone to control his life. He then ends up sacrificing himself to close the hellmouth, not for Buffy, but for himself.
Spike was obsessed with his mother and tried to be everything he thought she wanted him to be. When he was forced to kill her he moved his obsession over to Drusilla and became everything she wanted him to be (in this case a monster). When Drusilla dumped him and he was forced to live in Sunnydale with the chip he moved his obsession over to Buffy to fill the void Drusilla left in him. He then started trying to turn himself into a hero to be everything Buffy wanted him to be (in this case, more like Angel), but when he tried to rape her he realized he was incapable of being the hero she wanted him to be because of his lack of a soul. This leads in perfectly to him trying to win his soul back.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would keep the Spuffy romance exactly how it was in season 6. However I would make some serious changes to season 7. Spike originally got his soul to be able to win Buffy's love, but getting his soul turned out more traumatic than he thought it would be. He begins to, over the season, realize that he has never been his own man. He spent his entire life (and unlife) trying to live up to expectations set by others (his mother, Drusilla, and Buffy). He never truly loved Drusilla or Buffy; he just needed someone to control his life. He then ends up sacrificing himself to close the hellmouth, not for Buffy, but for himself.
Yeah, I actually really liked Spike and Buffy's relationship through Season 6 and the realization that Buffy was really just using him to deal with her own issues.
I also liked that Spike felt that he would be able to win Buffy's heart by getting his soul back.
I really think it's just the end of Season 7 where their relationship gets kinda retarded.
I also liked that Spike felt that he would be able to win Buffy's heart by getting his soul back.
I really think it's just the end of Season 7 where their relationship gets kinda retarded.
Fuck Tommy Westphall. Fuck his whole family.
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No way. It was near perfection from the beginning of season six right to the end. If Buffy had ended at season five, I would have ended up hating the entire series.
And season seven is the equal of three IMHO.
She was facing the window, with Tara in between them. Screencap. There was a line of sight from the window to Tara. The only issue with that scene is the bullet 'bending' from an upwards angel from the ground to a fairly horizontal angel to hit Tara across the room. Still fairly implausible, but it didn't have to 'dodge' Willow.
No way. It was near perfection from the beginning of season six right to the end. If Buffy had ended at season five, I would have ended up hating the entire series.
Explain!
Warren is actually a member of the Fraternity.
Buffy dying to beat that idiot "God" Glory & her breakable heels would have been the ultimate slap in the face to us fans IMO. To see her work through her problems by using Spike to heal her hurt, & coming to a place where she could deal again was pure excellence, as was the whole Andrew-as-chronicler thing. Storyteller, Dead Peeps & Chosen were the pinnicle of the series, as far as I'm concerned.No way. It was near perfection from the beginning of season six right to the end. If Buffy had ended at season five, I would have ended up hating the entire series.
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I agree that Glory (while I liked her as a villain) would have been a lame bad guy to end the series with, though I do really enjoy Season 5.Buffy dying to beat that idiot "God" Glory & her breakable heels would have been the ultimate slap in the face to us fans IMO. To see her work through her problems by using Spike to heal her hurt, & coming to a place where she could deal again was pure excellence, as was the whole Andrew-as-chronicler thing. Storyteller, Dead Peeps & Chosen were the pinnicle of the series, as far as I'm concerned.No way. It was near perfection from the beginning of season six right to the end. If Buffy had ended at season five, I would have ended up hating the entire series.
Explain!
I dunno. I'm rewatching the show after only seeing it once, and I'm in the middle of Season 7 right now. I like it. I could stand to see Buffy be less of a bitch to all of her friends, but she's only acting that way because she understands the stakes.
...And she thinks they're not gonna make it. She EXPECTS to die, along with her friends. She's just keeping it real.
To be fair, she's died several times already. It stands to reason she might die again....And she thinks they're not gonna make it. She EXPECTS to die, along with her friends. She's just keeping it real.
Buffy dying to beat that idiot "God" Glory & her breakable heels would have been the ultimate slap in the face to us fans IMO. To see her work through her problems by using Spike to heal her hurt, & coming to a place where she could deal again was pure excellence, as was the whole Andrew-as-chronicler thing. Storyteller, Dead Peeps & Chosen were the pinnicle of the series, as far as I'm concerned.No way. It was near perfection from the beginning of season six right to the end. If Buffy had ended at season five, I would have ended up hating the entire series.
Explain!
Why? It was the ultimate sacrifice: she didn't do it to save the world, she did it to save herself. It was very poetic and the whole point of the episode. The villain was an irrelevant piece of the puzzle. Well, that's not entirely true. Thematically, Glory was important because, essentially, she was doing the exact same thing. Just for different reason.
I would just like to say that, if anything, Season 7 has some of the finest Xander moments of the whole series. His speech to Dawn about knowing what's it's like to be powerless and his speech to the Potentials about how awesome Buffy is at saving the world are easily his two best moments of the entire series.
And then Nathan Fillion goes and plucks out his eye! Bastard.
And then Nathan Fillion goes and plucks out his eye! Bastard.
It's Xander. No way can they let things go well for him for too long.
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