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Buffy season 8-- MAJOR SPOILERS-- Twilight reveal

I largely agree with Sci. I think he was harmless enough when he was first introduced in S5--just a guy with a glorified sex toy and a poor sense of responsibility, albeit foreshadowing his control issues--but it became very clear early in S6 that, beneath the nerdy veneer, Warren was really just an angry bastard. He behaves like a cult leader; he initiates the plan, quickly manoeuvres himself as the leader, pushes them towards ever more dangerous and ethically corrupt schemes, and clearly thought of both his followers as entirely expendable. He was terribly quick to resort to murder (telling that demon to kill Buffy), showing that his devolution was no gradual thing: from the beginning, he was ruthless and without conscience. And, most damning of all, he enjoyed all of it: perhaps he wasn't always aware of it consciously (although it's telling how Katrina usign the word 'rape' seemed to shock Jonathan and Andrew out of the fantasy they had constructed, but Warren seemed entirely unperturbed), but there was a glee to him as he crossed over another ethical line, lust for power, for control--and yes, particularly over women. After he thought he had killed Buffy, what was the first thing he did? He went to a demon bar and bragged about it: these (evil) people were those whose respect he desired, who he wanted to be peer to. Something terrible had been festering inside him for a long time, I suspect, and he finally allowed himself to become it--and was gladdened of it, too. I don't think there's any redemption for him.

As for Amy... I don't get Amy. Shown to be weak and selfish during most of the series, sure, but I thought her turn to outright villainy in S7 was poorly explained and her motivations remain obscure to me.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
^ You can just get the TPB's, they're not that expensive


There's an apology and explanation of what happened from editor Scott Allie, Right Here
(I still think they're useless retards for letting it slip)

Also mentions the 'Twilight' name was chosen long before that franchise went big, but they admit its amusing in hindsight, esp as Angel (Edward) is now Twilight.

And an article with Whedon comments here


And then there's some comments from current IDW Angel writer Bill Willingham Here, where he basically dismisses Allie's comments that the stories will jibe, as he has zero contact whatsoever with anyone at Dark Horse.


So, this whole thing looks a bit of a joke and a mess now, but I guess we'll see how it pans out. Knowing who Twilight is might be annoying, but DAMN, cover artisit Jo Chen does some fucking awesome artwork :techman:-
Cover for #35
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Alternate
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What did Angel as Twilight do? (I'm not going to shell out $60 for comic books -- I don't really like them at all. You can't read them quickly either)
 
Hmmmm. I read an interesting theory over at Whedonesque-- that perhaps Twilight is some sort of future Angel(us) who has come back to change the past and save the future. Or something like that. I've had a feeling ever since I first heard about the Buffy/Fray arc that the time-travel aspect was going to figure in later in the story, so this makes sense to me.
 
Five scripts in, and counting, on IDW’s ongoing Angel comic book series, I am not coordinating, nor have I ever coordinated stories with Scott Allie, Joss Whedon, nor anyone else at Dark Horse Comics

I have however been told, in no uncertain terms, that Mr. Whedon is not available for contact concerning anything to do with the Angel series at IDW, because he is only working with Dark Horse. So I’m not sure how Scott Allie imagines he and Mr. Whedon plan to coordinate IDW’s Angel series into their Buffy series, as is implied in the seventh paragraph of your article.

As long as I am writing the Angel series for IDW, I will not be coordinating stories with any Dark Horse comic, period.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24374
 
^Yeah, I read that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. And then there is the the stuff you didn't post from the interview. Like Willingham accusing Whedon and Allie of taking credit for his work (which nobody even came close to doing) really makes think that Willingham need to take a chill pill or count to ten or something.

It's not as if his Angel is all that special. I started to read the first issue of his arc the in the comic shop, thought to myself that the voices of the characters seemed all wrong, and put it back on the shelf. Distancing himself from Whedon like that is only going to make the hard-core Whedon-ites, the ones who only buy the comic because of some peceived "canon", not buy his stories.
 
^Yeah, I read that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. And then there is the the stuff you didn't post from the interview. Like Willingham accusing Whedon and Allie of taking credit for his work (which nobody even came close to doing) really makes think that Willingham need to take a chill pill or count to ten or something.
I dunno-- Allie's comment "These continuities will be made to jibe" could be taken as somewhat directive, like he's going to make it.
 
^Yeah, I read that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. And then there is the the stuff you didn't post from the interview. Like Willingham accusing Whedon and Allie of taking credit for his work (which nobody even came close to doing) really makes think that Willingham need to take a chill pill or count to ten or something.
I dunno-- Allie's comment "These continuities will be made to jibe" could be taken as somewhat directive, like he's going to make it.

Willingham needs to sit down and remember that these are not his characters, they're Fox's, and that Fox controls them through Whedon. And if he doesn't want to play by Fox's and Whedon's rules, then he doesn't get to play in their sandbox.
 
^Yeah, I read that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. And then there is the the stuff you didn't post from the interview. Like Willingham accusing Whedon and Allie of taking credit for his work (which nobody even came close to doing) really makes think that Willingham need to take a chill pill or count to ten or something.
I dunno-- Allie's comment "These continuities will be made to jibe" could be taken as somewhat directive, like he's going to make it.

Willingham needs to sit down and remember that these are not his characters, they're Fox's, and that Fox controls them through Whedon. And if he doesn't want to play by Fox's and Whedon's rules, then he doesn't get to play in their sandbox.


That depends on the licensing agreement that IDW has. It seems that Whedon is completely and utterly hands off with IDW's work, so the suggestion that his work with Dark Horse is going to match up seems to fly in the face of this - which is part of BW's point.
 
I dunno-- Allie's comment "These continuities will be made to jibe" could be taken as somewhat directive, like he's going to make it.

Willingham needs to sit down and remember that these are not his characters, they're Fox's, and that Fox controls them through Whedon. And if he doesn't want to play by Fox's and Whedon's rules, then he doesn't get to play in their sandbox.

That depends on the licensing agreement that IDW has. It seems that Whedon is completely and utterly hands off with IDW's work, so the suggestion that his work with Dark Horse is going to match up seems to fly in the face of this - which is part of BW's point.

It doesn't matter. They're still not his characters and it's not his sandbox. And if the owners of the property decide that they want to impose a new rule on the series, that's their right. Willingham is working for them, with their characters, in their sandbox. He plays by their rules or he doesn't play at all. That's how tie-in writing always works.
 
It's debatable if IDW's post After The Fall line is even canon anyway, when there's zero involvement from Team Whedon.
Especially the likes of their Aftermath arc. There's no way I'd personally consider that peice of shit "official"

I haven't got round to getting the first Willingham issue yet, but from the previews it looks a bit bland.
 
Here is part two of CBR's interview with Joss Whedon...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24405

^Yeah, I read that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. And then there is the the stuff you didn't post from the interview. Like Willingham accusing Whedon and Allie of taking credit for his work (which nobody even came close to doing) really makes think that Willingham need to take a chill pill or count to ten or something.
I dunno-- Allie's comment "These continuities will be made to jibe" could be taken as somewhat directive, like he's going to make it.

Willingham needs to sit down and remember that these are not his characters, they're Fox's, and that Fox controls them through Whedon. And if he doesn't want to play by Fox's and Whedon's rules, then he doesn't get to play in their sandbox.
Sci said it better than I would've...
 
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Oh, I'm well aware of how licensed tie-ins work. Though part of Willingham's problem would seem to be he hasn't actually heard any rules.
 
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I didn't think this was worth starting a new thread.

The issue with the reveal came out today, and I have to say that the confrontation did not go as I expected (Although, in hindsight, perhaps this is what I should have expected).

I laughed uncontrollably for about a minute after Willow said to Xander...
"I think they're &%$ing."

"Great Muppety Odin...", indeed... :guffaw::lol::rommie:
 
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