I just rewatched ENT's pilot and I think I enjoyed it more than XI. It was an action adventure vehicle sporting great visuals and battles. It gave us time to take in various locations on the ship, gave a better introduction to the ship and the time period, mixed old familiar races with a new one, had a villian from the future trying to stop the Federation, gave us flashbacks to the captain's youth and his relationship with his father. Also the pacing wasn't so dizzying.
Broken Bow vs XI
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I liked Broken Bow. In fact, I feel it was one of the better episodes of Enterprise. But it's incomparable with STXI.
I do feel that Broken Bow was a far superior pilot than "Encounter at Farpoint", which felt strange and incomplete. Which is odd considering both Trek titans Roddenberry and DC Fontana wrote the episode.
Still I enjoyed STXI, the most. This is the original crew on their maiden voyage. Something we never got to see, even from TOS shows. So I'd have to give the nod to XI.
I do feel that Broken Bow was a far superior pilot than "Encounter at Farpoint", which felt strange and incomplete. Which is odd considering both Trek titans Roddenberry and DC Fontana wrote the episode.
Still I enjoyed STXI, the most. This is the original crew on their maiden voyage. Something we never got to see, even from TOS shows. So I'd have to give the nod to XI.
I think Broken Bow was among the better first episodes of Trek (I'd put it right above Emissary, but below The Cage and WNMHGB). Still, compared to a major motion picture, it falls far flat.
I liked "Broken Bow"....but no.
No, I wouldn't describe it as amazing--it was decent. Granted, BB can't compete with the special effects in XI but I guess I appreciated that we got a lot of what we had in XI but more time was devoted to those aspects. XI just steamrolled through everything--it was almost like speed dating Trek style. The writers were basically saying "You want to see the crew at Starfleet Academy, okay enough of that move along"
BB also had an expansive feel as it moved from the cornfields of Oklahoma to spacedock in orbit of Earth to a gas giant to the Klingon high council chambers. It also did a fairly good job introducing the 22nd century. Cochrane's recording with the ship launch also had more sentimentality than Nimoy's Spock because of the way he was treated as Mr. Exposition. Silik and Archer's showdown in the temporal chamber was at least inventive with the echoes compared to the routine fight over the catwalk between Nero/Kirk.
Well I just finished reading an article where Abrams wanted to do a lot of what B&B wanted to do with ENT--giving the ship a more realistic feel, moving back in time etc--and then I just saw the pilot and it reminded me of XI where it has some of the same elements. Also I think I read a tagline that said "Not your Father's Trek" which ENT was touted as.
Of course, BB can't compare with what a $150 million budget can do as far as production and VFX but I was mainly focused on the writing and story which is independent of budget. Some major motion pictures have looked great but sucked and some tv episodes look weak but the writing is outstanding. For instance, I think TNG's "Best of Both Worlds" is better than XI and it was produced nearly 2 decades ago.
How did it shat on continuity? Examples please.
Yawn... Yet another predictable thread started by 'startrekwatcher'.
You don't like Star Trek XI... I think we get it now.
You don't like Star Trek XI... I think we get it now.
Erm...the whole Klingon first contact thing, and Kronos being like 4 lightyears from Earth. Phasers. The ships design. THE GOD DAMN NAME OF THE SHIP.
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Broken Bow? Solid first episode.
Star Trek XI? Far, far superior movie.
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Star Trek XI? Far, far superior movie.
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None of which disregarded continuity in any meaningful way.
I liked "Broken Bow," and I'm actually a fan of Enterprise (the characters were probably my favorite group since TOS). That said, the show had a lot of flaws and simply can't be compared to XI, which is simply a great Trek movie.
ENTERPRISE never called their beam weapons "phasers".
Phase pistols and phase cannons, but no phasers.
This leaves open the possibility that it was a different sort of beam weapon. An earlier approach to whatever phasers are, maybe.
No canon violation. Not even a cannon violation.
This is true. And all of the Trek fans who are so sure that they know a lot about Klingon first contact...are wrong.
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