#BringinRiker

[2takesfrakes]

It's one thing to not like the reboot and that's a very legitimate stance to take. You don't have to like it and the reasons don't really matter. But to suggest that J.J. Abrams somehow came by all of this good fortune with STAR TREK on good luck, alone, is baseless. It simply isn't true. For one thing, he was hired specifically because of the reason that he could make STAR TREK into a very commercial product. Secondly, Abrams' own production company also has a huge financial stake in these pictures, so his motivation to make STAR TREK larger than life was apparent, right from the onset. It's not about what he wants ... it's about what the audience wants and Abrams knows that. He also knows how to deliver on it - and how!

 

[Admiral Bear]

Abrams hasn't opened Trek up to the masses with his wider appeal and action film approach. He's just twice been given a fat budget and got reasonably lucky.

So who are under the impression bought tickets? Or did the money just "show up?" That's almost what it sounds like you're saying.

Below figures are worldwide grosses adjusted for US inflation and are 2014 figures.

Star Trek: First Contact cost $61m (estimated) and grossed $221m. A return of 3.6 times the budget.

JJ Star Trek cost $162m and grossed $415m, a return of 2.5 times the budget.

Into Darkness made a return of 2.45 times its budget.

Abrams has less than doubled Trek's First Contact audience while managing to inflict the law of diminishing returns on to the franchise.

While clearly more people paid to see Abrams Trek than First Contact, the financial benefit of this was more than wiped out by the film's huge budget.

If you were an investor in the film industry, where would you have wanted your money to go? First Contact or Abrams Trek?

 

[Commishsleer]

Abrams hasn't opened Trek up to the masses with his wider appeal and action film approach. He's just twice been given a fat budget and got reasonably lucky.

So who are under the impression bought tickets? Or did the money just "show up?" That's almost what it sounds like you're saying.

Below figures are worldwide grosses adjusted for US inflation and are 2014 figures.

Star Trek: First Contact cost $61m (estimated) and grossed $221m. A return of 3.6 times the budget.

JJ Star Trek cost $162m and grossed $415m, a return of 2.5 times the budget.

Into Darkness made a return of 2.45 times its budget.

Abrams has less than doubled Trek's First Contact audience while managing to inflict the law of diminishing returns on to the franchise.

While clearly more people paid to see Abrams Trek than First Contact, the financial benefit of this was more than wiped out by the film's huge budget.

If you were an investor in the film industry, where would you have wanted your money to go? First Contact or Abrams Trek?

Those figures don't take into account DVD/Blu-Ray sales which are more important the more recent the film.
Also sometimes the figures are looked at like this. Say a movie cost $10 million to make but made a total of $40 million. Then that would be $30 million to Paramount. Say a movie cost $100 million but made a total of $300 million.That would be $200 million to Paramount. Sure the first movie was more 'profitable' but Paramount gets more money out of the second movie (even though it took more risks).

 

[Mudd]

Another way of saying that is that FC made about 160 million over budget and ID made about 250 million.

 

[Khan 2.0]

anyone not want a $200m star trek movie?

 

[Jedi_Master]

Another way of saying that is that FC made about 160 million over budget and ID made about 250 million.

Ding ding ding!

Exactly! I have never seen someone spin making $250 million as a 'diminishing return'.

 

[BillJ]

Another way of saying that is that FC made about 160 million over budget and ID made about 250 million.

Ding ding ding!

Exactly! I have never seen someone spin making $250 million as a 'diminishing return'.

Just another person trying to spin that Star Trek Into Darkness wasn't a success.

 

[Khan 2.0]

I remember a TM.com interview with Bryan Singer talking about a potential Trek movie with a huge budget etc:

TrekMovie.com: So you are excited about JJ Abrams?
Singer: Oh yah, yah. I don’t think it is anything he is doing lightly. It is something he really cares about it and he is really talented. I cant wait to see it. I hope they give him enough money to do it right. Very often with the Star Trek franchise because I don’t think it plays so well foreign, they end up cutting the budgets and cutting and cutting. Very often some parts start looking like television movies. I hope they give it the resources to make it look right.
TrekMovie.com: Superman Returns cost about $200 [million] and Star Trek Nemesis cost about $65 [million], so what do you think the magic sweet spot for a Star Trek movie, if you were making one?
Singer: Well it is all script dependent [laughing] I would go northing of 100 if I start adding up visual effects in my head. But that is just unfortunately that is the cost of today’s audiences palette.
TrekMovie.com: Do you think a 200 million dollar Star Trek movie could make money?
Singer: I don’t think it would make money, but I would sure as shit go see it
http://trekmovie.com/2007/05/12/interview-bryan-singer-on-trek/

 

[137th Gebirg]

Oh God no! The bullshit stop-and-go way he treated the TOS Battlestar Galactica property for years makes me recoil at the mere mention of his name. And if people think Insurrection disqualifies Frakes for the job, I think the shitfest that was Superman Returns equally disqualifies Singer. I suppose I shouldn't worry, as he never really makes good on many things he says he wants to do, but still no. Just flipping NO!

 

[I amnot Herbert]

yeah, no... Paramount did NOT get the return on investment that they wanted... especially with STID...

yes, it made profit, but not ENOUGH to be a success (for Paramount)... ;-)

ALTHOUGH, JJ / boborci probably pocketed A LOT of money... tens of millions...?

 

[I amnot Herbert]

Frakes would be GREAT! (but not for nu-trek) ;-)

He should direct a new TV show for CBS! Captain Worf? =)

 

[Jedi_Master]

yeah, no... Paramount did NOT get the return on investment that they wanted... especially with STID...

yes, it made profit, but not ENOUGH to be a success (for Paramount)... ;-)

ALTHOUGH, JJ / boborci probably pocketed A LOT of money... tens of millions...?

Repeating the same assertions without ever providing proof does not make those assertions accurate, valid, or trustworthy.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Frakes would be GREAT! (but not for nu-trek) ;-)

He should direct a new TV show for CBS! Captain Worf? =)

They could get huge ratings and 10 seasons easily out of this combo.

 

[BillJ]

Frakes would be GREAT! (but not for nu-trek) ;-)

He should direct a new TV show for CBS! Captain Worf? =)

They could get huge ratings and 10 seasons easily out of this combo.

 

[Jax]

No thank you Frakes, We need someone who likes and understands Star Trek but is not connected to the past incarnation. My list assuming we can't have J.J back even though Star Wars is done filming is...

Brad Bird
Edgar Wright
Rupert Wyatt

 

[I amnot Herbert]

you guys just can't get enough! LOL! =D

Merry Xmas! <3

 

[I amnot Herbert]

No thank you Frakes, We need someone who likes and understands Star Trek but is not connected to the past incarnation. My list assuming we can't have J.J back even though Star Wars is done filming is...

Brad Bird
Edgar Wright
Rupert Wyatt

JJ (and BR-lovers) can make all the lists they want... it's just going thru the motions... =P

only the very greedy or insane would take this FUBAR job! LOL!

 

[BillJ]

JJ (and BR-lovers) can make all the lists they want... it's just going thru the motions... =P

only the very greedy or insane would take this FUBAR job! LOL!

When time rolls around and Star Trek 3 (A Bad Robot production) premieres, you'll be at the theater just like the rest of us.

 

[M'Sharak]

you guys just can't get enough! LOL! =D

Merry Xmas! <3

No thank you Frakes, We need someone who likes and understands Star Trek but is not connected to the past incarnation. My list assuming we can't have J.J back even though Star Wars is done filming is...

Brad Bird
Edgar Wright
Rupert Wyatt

JJ (and BR-lovers) can make all the lists they want... it's just going thru the motions... =P

only the very greedy or insane would take this FUBAR job! LOL!

Oh, what the heck. Have another warning for trolling. Comments to PM.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Hell, add spamming to it too while you're at it, with two consecutive posts relatively close together without using the multi-quote.