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Bring them Back! Moffat Style..

^ Who said that I was? Making a rationalized guess about what he was meant to do with the thing doesn't contradict anything that is regarded as canon.
 
^ Who said that I was? Making a rationalized guess about what he was meant to do with the thing doesn't contradict anything that is regarded as canon.

It's just that some people have the tendency to state something as fact when said fact has never been backed up by anything said or shown on screen.
 
It's not like the Moment has to be anything that we think it should be anyways.. I mean the hand of Omega wasn't a hand afterall, it was a spiky little living validium ball with the power to turn a sun super nova. Just goes to show..Nothing is quite what it seems in Doctor Who..
 
As i think back to the Tennant Years, and that mythical tv spot for the Christmas special wherein the Doctor took a fanciful flight sitting aboard his Tardis pulled by flying reindeer, I am frustrated and impatient to say the least.

That TV spot in retrospect, and subsequent storylines make it seem like the Doctor is some fairy tale character from a children's mythological story or some such nonsense. I for one am happy to see that Moffat has brought about another time lord into the mix in the latest installment of series six.

Now I know there are some who pride themselves on revelling in the story line and theme of "The Doctor, last of the time lords." But honestly, It has been much too long since the race has been dead. To have the doctor magically flying around in the "christmas carol" on a sleigh with flying fish is another image that perplexes my science fiction sensabilities.

I am hopeful that with todays production values and CGI that Moffat will finally bring the Time Lords back and in style. The whole contrived last of the race and magical being aspect of the show to-date has really begun to errode my fascination with the show as a whole. Being the central figure of the program, I am okay with the story being centered on the Doctor.

However, with the loss of the Time Lords, and the mythical and out right nonsensical fantasy applied to the show and the character lately it just seems like less science fiction and more of magic and fairy tales. With the Time Lords back we would have more of a foundation of that civilization to fall back on, and would temper the "mythical and Magical status" that seems to be the over riding theme in the New Doctor who series.

Being an exceptional member of a society on the run from them, as apposed to the lone "superman" roaming the galaxy able to defeat any enemy which is a little pretencious In my humble opinion, would be more in line with the series that I remember from a classical stand point. I long for the days of clandestine covert ops being directed by the Celestial Intervention agency, or relics and strange weaponry from the dark days of Rassilon's rule..Not to mention the appearance of other Tardises and other Time Lord characters to expand the horizon of the enemies list, or even allies on par with the Doctor..

It's been 7 years that we have suffered with the loss of all the Doctor's grounded scientific society and the lore surrounding them or their continued presence in the continuity of the show..It's time to bring that back. It is time in my opinion, to put some solid feet to the ground, and not fly in the clouds with fish driving the carriage off to never never land.

If there was any writer/director who I could see bringing them back and doing it in style and justice to their majestic status, it would be Mr. Moffat.

I know many here will disagree with my point of view but it is my opinion alone, and not meant to offend or incite vitrial..however for those who can not help themselves, let the Slaughter begin. :techman:



Cut, jib, newsletter.
 
And actually he might not, he might not know what the Nightmare Child is either...

I know it isn't the same thing but every time I read 'the nightmare child' I think of the USS Thunderchild from "War Of The Worlds" and this has been your mostly irrelevant thread contribution for the day.
 
I love that name, I'm still hacked off the Royal Navy (to my knowledge) has never had an HMS Thunderchild!
 
wasn't there a story in which the CIA (celestial Intervention Agency) escaped the universe in a pocket dimension, and left Gallifrey?? Why can't Moffat and co. work from that novella, and use the premise to re-establish more time lords in the current series.. maybe instead of a New Gallifrey, we get a new Time Lord strong hold only accessible through Tardis.. this could be their new home, outside of the normal universe..still heavily defended, but apart from the universal norm, making the Pythia Prophecy Lady correct in stating that the only 2 time lords in the universe outside the time lock are the Doctor and the Master.. and that those in the pocket dimension technically are not in the universe and therefore "unseen" by her psychic mind..

now that would be pretty cool.. instead of Gallifrey returning, then a separate planet all together with a new name, that the doctor would often visit from time to time, and maybe a story centered around rescuing the last vestages of his people in that pocket dimension, similar to the pocket dimension that "HOUSE" lived in..

maybe they took the eye of harmony just before Gallifrey Fell, or created a new one, or some other unstable power source, which the Doc has to destroy, so he can save them.. effectively making his refugee people powerless.. or maybe the CIA has their own stronghold, and saw the future of Gallifrey ahead of time, and they took steps to maintain their race in stasis in the pocket reality, and the doctor finds them.. and revives them..

it would certainly set the internet a buzz..
 
now that would be pretty cool.

Alternatively it sounds to me like the sort of awful fanwank that should remain in novels read by four people (who draw diagrams to explain it) and their mum rather than a show watched by millions.
 
I am hopeful that with todays production values and CGI that Moffat will finally bring the Time Lords back and in style.

It's interesting to note that the original post in this thread was written only two days before The Doctor's Wife aired. And I think that episode pretty much cements the fact that the Time Lords are gone and won't be coming back. Certainly we won't suddenly learn that the Corsair is still out there unless he's making due without an arm, both kidneys and his spine.

While nostalgia is strong for the Time Lords, the continuity of the series as it stands now - established by RTD and now reaffirmed by Moffat - is that the Time Lords are technically no more, and any attempt to bring them back, as illustrated vividly in The End of Time, is a bad bad thing because they as a race turned bad at some point. (Mind you, I would never have called them full-out heroes even in the original series. No wonder "Sexy" wanted to get the hell out of Dodge and chose the first sane Time Lord she came across.)

But that doesn't mean we won't see individual Time Lords. We may never see the Corsair, but the fact the Master survived indicates there could be others out there. Continuity hounds point out "but the Doctor has said he'd feel it if there were any other Time Lords" - but the rebuttal to that is provided in part by The Doctor's Wife showing Time Lord survival outside normal space-time is possible (even RTD indicated that when he wrote Death of the Doctor for The Sarah Jane Adventures he considered bringing Romana back from E-Space, the pocket universe from the Tom Baker era), and by River Song's very telling statement last year: "The Doctor lies."

I personally hope the Time Lords as a group never return. Some of the strongest emotional chords of the entire series tie in with the Doctor being the last - and The Doctor's Wife in particular is pinned to this. So to suddenly push the "Big Red Reset Button" on Gallifrey - something I was afraid might have happened in The Big Bang would have undermined lots of that.

That said, I wouldn't be adverse to a flashback story set on Gallifrey. And of course if they ever get around to showing the Eighth Doctor's regeneration, it'll be obligatory.

Alex
 
I'm guessing only Russell knows what the Moment is :)

It's sure to be powered by Unobtainium.

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AAAAAARGH!

DO! MAKING DO! HE'S MAKING DO WITHOUT AN ARM AND KIDNEYS! NOT 'DUE'!

so sick of stupid people using the wrong goddamned word! it makes you look an idiot!
 
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