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bridge lighting in Generations

The idea of theatrical lighting has been take to the extreme in modern Trek. I just watched the Picard S3 finale. In one of the last scenes Tuvok meets with 7 of 9 in a conference room to promote her. They were sitting in a pitch black room with spot lights on their faces.

It's hard for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief when the lighting is so incredibly unrealistic.
It's not just modern Trek, it's happening in other TV series too. And I wish it would stop.

If you’re searching for realism in Star Trek, you’ve come to the wrong place.
Are you sure you're not confusing it with Lost in Space? Or Lexx? Or Guardians of the Galaxy? Maybe Futurama?
 
The peculiar thing about the lighting on the Titan-A is that the same sets were used for the new Stargazer the prior season, and the lighting then was much brighter, while still stylistically "modern."
 
The peculiar thing about the lighting on the Titan-A is that the same sets were used for the new Stargazer the prior season, and the lighting then was much brighter, while still stylistically "modern."
Apparently, both seasons had the same cinematographer - Crescenzo Notarile.
 
IIRC, Matalas claimed the season was filmed with regular lighting and that it was something Paramount+ did that made the image look darker in S3. Though as someone who actually watched S3 broadcast on Canada's CTV Sci-Fi Channel, I can confirm the season was just for some reason filmed really darkly.
 
IIRC, Matalas claimed the season was filmed with regular lighting and that it was something Paramount+ did that made the image look darker in S3. Though as someone who actually watched S3 broadcast on Canada's CTV Sci-Fi Channel, I can confirm the season was just for some reason filmed really darkly.
It wouldn't be the first time post-production went really dark in their cinema-grade, high dynamic range mastering suite and it looked fine on their $50,000 color-calibrated pro monitor, but between consumer-grade hardware and internet streaming compression, it turned to mud for the audience, at least until the disc came out. So... Picard season 3 on HDR 4K blu-ray when?
 
When they're doing their post-production work they should really try turning all the lights on and watching it on a cheap TV to see what it looks like then. Because most classic movies still look really damn good that way.
 
The Ready Room lighting in GEN is exquisite. Yeah, the bridge has a very, "we had to light a TV soundstage a different way to make a television picture quality set appear more cinematic," but I really like the way the Ready Room, Sickbay and Ten Forward come off looking in the movie.
 
I've known fx artists who absolutely check their work that way.

I'm a musician (mostly a hobbiest). After mixing and mastering on my main audio setup I definitely need to run my tune thru the crappiest car audio or dirt cheap headphones. If it sounds good on the crap equipment, it'll sound amazing on great gear. Gotta maximize the quality on the most limited setup for playback. I'm sure good vfx and editing folks do the same!
 
Actually, if I remember the story, the TOS production got more relaxed once TOS started airing and they knew what it looked like on TVs rather than in the Desilu screening room.
 
I prefer the look of the E-D bridge in GEN to how it appeared during the series. I have smart lights at home and usually have them on "soft white" and then max out the brightness at 60% or maybe 80%, but rarely full brightness.

I think it was Hamnet where they made a point of trying to film a scene as darkly as possible without entirely losing sight of people.

When people say the E-D bridge looks too dark, though, I admit I wonder what their viewing conditions are.
 
I'm a musician (mostly a hobbiest). After mixing and mastering on my main audio setup I definitely need to run my tune thru the crappiest car audio or dirt cheap headphones. If it sounds good on the crap equipment, it'll sound amazing on great gear. Gotta maximize the quality on the most limited setup for playback. I'm sure good vfx and editing folks do the same!
I know Foo Fighers and Metallica do the same to test their new albums - cranking the mixes on the shittiest car stereo they can find.
 
I get what they were going for in Generations - lighting wise. I think it works in peoples quarters and the ready room, ten forward etc...

But imagine working a long shift in that darkened environment. No thanks. I'd much rather work in the evenly lit TNG bridge. On the flip side, no way would you want to work on the ST09 bridge - unless you brought some sunglasses.
 
And for comparison, here's the way the set was lit for Picard, which strikes me as very flat, a common way a lot of shows and movies are shot these days. It's done for the speed of setups to avoid having to relight the set to film different angles. You just bombard it with diffused light through a reflector box.

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My biggest issue here is the colors on their uniforms, which are much darker than they were in TNG. Turn on the lights and brighten the colors!

It's not just modern Trek, it's happening in other TV series too. And I wish it would stop.
Drives me crazy on some shows where they're working in a lab with just a couple lamps and maybe some edge lighting. It's a lab! You need light!

Back to the original topic though, I liked most of the lighting in GEN. Whenever you have sunlight coming in the windows at home, it vastly overwhelms any artificial lighting you may have in the room. I know that these are done on indoor stages, but I don't know why more productions don't try and replicate that effect. I mean, most of the time they're at a planet which is likely next to a star, you should have very bright light coming in those windows.
 
I'm a musician (mostly a hobbiest). After mixing and mastering on my main audio setup I definitely need to run my tune thru the crappiest car audio or dirt cheap headphones. If it sounds good on the crap equipment, it'll sound amazing on great gear. Gotta maximize the quality on the most limited setup for playback. I'm sure good vfx and editing folks do the same!

I'm reminded of a story in "The Worst Band in the World. The Story of 10cc", where Eric Stewart, who produced most of 10cc's records, said that when it came to mixing and final mastering of the albums, he mixed them for 90% of the customers who had the shitty car or home set up and not the 10% who had the high end equipment.
 
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