News Brent Spiner Returned for "Picard" (and you could do the CGI better in 15 minutes, we get it)

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  1. fireproof78

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    Not fully. The eyes are weird and stand out way too much.
     
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  2. StewMc

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    The first clip in the vineyard looks pretty decent I thought, even more so as still images. The rest not so much.
     
  3. Sebastianus

    Sebastianus Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The Problem with deepfakes:

    1. Low resolution (although it's getting better and better)
    2. They don't work in certain angles.
    3. No control over the expression (eyes can look weird)
    4. It's hard to replicate the lighting of the original source (especially hard shadows and specular highlights)

    It's still a powerful technology. But you have to do a lot of post-editing and blending to achieve a satisfying result. A combination with 3D models might also be necessary in some cases.
     
  4. Pubert

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    The makeup looked like crap. His lips were nearly gone and he had an old man chin. We didn't need to see data again. He already had his death. They spent 10 episodes in basically a data story. Spinner looked terrible as data. Pretty much a nightmare version of the data we knew.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    "Nightmare" must mean differnet things to different people.

    We don't need to see any of this again. Not one bit. So don't watch it. It's unneeded.
     
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  6. Pubert

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    I was one of the fans who held the franchise up when it wasn't mainstream. Guys like you who only came on board when it became mainstream with Abrams have no stake put in it. The fans who stuck with the franchise all those years deserve much better then what we are getting.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    Fans deserve nothing. It's a product. If it doesn't appeal don't watch. Fans will still have their preferred show, art, fiction and communities to chat about their franchise. No installment, good, bad, or otherwise, will ever take that away.

    And I've been a fan since I was 6 watching TOS. So, please pause the gatekeeping. What i am watching is a franchise that espouses an egalitarian future yet insists upon a conservative point of view of the franchise, holding on to the past rather than being willing to look at the future. It is quite funny that these two things occur, showcasing that despite a franchise that gave us IDIC the phrase has no meaning when fans are talking with each other. It's sad to me that instead of discussing aspects of the franchise it is simply tribalism, holding on to the past, insisting that the past was better, and no value can come from the present.

    Terms like "destruction" and "ruined" are thrown about, while carrying little meaning because the Star Trek that I grew up with and find the most enjoyment with this exists in TOS. And nothing, no installment, no new series, will ever take that away from any fan.
     
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  8. Sebastianus

    Sebastianus Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    :-D


     
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  9. Quinton

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    This is such unfortunate and unnecessary gatekeeping.
     
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  10. KennyB

    KennyB I have spoken............ Moderator

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    If it weren't for "new" fans we would not have 5-6 shows in various stages of production currently. Gatekeeping dinosaurs are becoming extinct rather quickly.......(thankfully)
     
  11. fireproof78

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    Fans got what they paid for. We deserve nothing.
     
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  12. Paul Weaver

    Paul Weaver Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    In the early 70s? Well done.

    You didn't join trekbbs until 2014. Real fans joined in the 20th century.

    (I do find it amusing that fireproof78 joined this forum before you)
     
  13. Takeru

    Takeru Space Police Premium Member

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    I'm not a real fan?:wah:

    Every Star Trek is someone's first Star Trek and new fans discovering the franchise is a good thing! This entitled "I'm better than you" attitude is ridiculous, how long someone's been a fan is completely irrelevant and long time fans absolutely don't deserve to be catered too.
    People who only watched Picard or Lower Decks and consider themselves fans are just as important as people who have been watching since 1966.
     
  14. SithHappens

    SithHappens Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Just because someone decided not to join an internet forum, or only started watching Star Trek on a certain date has no bearing on them being better fans or not.
    It's not a competition.
     
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  15. fireproof78

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    No, it's not a competition. I thought Star Trek was a celebration of differences.:shrug::sigh:
     
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  16. Paul Weaver

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    I believe you missed the silent sarcasm

    I think there's about 3 people that joined trekbbs in 1999, and I for one wasn't introduced to Star Trek until September 1990 so I certainly wouldn't fit in the "True fan" category. I haven't even watched every TOS episode

    Naming yourself after a starwards thing on a star trek board, interesting.
     
  17. Takeru

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    It wasn't serious.:lol:
     
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  18. SithHappens

    SithHappens Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Didn't realise we couldn't like more than one film series
     
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  19. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You need to fill out form 34-B in triplicate to have such authorization, and signed by three witnesses, two of which must be senior officers. All forms are accepted on the third Tuesday after the last full moon before the end of the month.

    It's all in the manual.
     
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    I'm not exactly sure what Starwards is, but I'm willing to bet that JJ Abrams ruined it.