News Brent Spiner Returned for "Picard" (and you could do the CGI better in 15 minutes, we get it)

[Blooded]

I’ll tell you what, that trailer must have been bloody superb for people to pick Data’s unfinished appearance as their thing to spend months bitching about!

 

[urbandefault]

Executive in charge of away missions? I want a thread on what a "Galaxy Starship" is!

A Galaxy Starship is where Enterprise People live.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

I’ll tell you what, that trailer must have been bloody superb for people to pick Data’s unfinished appearance as their thing to spend months bitching about!

As opposed to months or however long feeling defensive about it, as if fandom means owning the result, making veiled comments about other fans and discouraging criticism (for me at least the constructive criticism probably adds up to an hour or two).

Sure, there are other aspects that feel out of place for the era, but the key here is that the uniform suggests this was meant to be a callback to the 2360s/70s, and we just didn’t get a great attempt like El Camino, let alone the opening of Terminator: Dark Fate.

 

[DaveyNY]

As opposed to months or however long feeling defensive about it, as if fandom means owning the result, making veiled comments about other fans and discouraging criticism (for me at least the constructive criticism probably adds up to an hour or two).

Sure, there are other aspects that feel out of place for the era, but the key here is that the uniform suggests this was meant to be a callback to the 2360s/70s, and we just didn’t get a great attempt like El Camino, let alone the opening of Terminator: Dark Fate.

 

[1001001]

Who said anything about the final show? The point is merely that one could’ve trimmed down Spiner’s appearance in the trailer, thus improving on that, too. Or, if there was a contractual requirement to show his face fully, maybe take the time to just finish the few seconds?

Well, no, the fun here is to show how some fans will come up with any excuse for Data to appear fully rather than say “Fine, yes, even a mere trailer could’ve been improved upon by hiding unfinished makeup. Are we done now?” I’m trying to think if there is some kind of an unwritten sense that he absolutely needed to appear at any cost, if maybe the dearth of recent Trek from that era means people aren’t seeing Star Trek in the context of comparable nostalgic recreations such as those on Star Wars, and are more tolerant of average matching even in something that really creates that first impression of PIC?

You're ignoring a third option: people who don't give a flying fuck about any of that.

Picard and Data are back, baby!

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Who said anything about the final show? The point is merely that one could’ve trimmed down Spiner’s appearance in the trailer, thus improving on that, too.

My reaction to Data in the trailer was "Oh, cool! Data is in the show too!". It wasn't "OMG -- what awful CG work! EWWWWW!"

Maybe that's just me.

Edit: Obviously not just me (see previous post!)

 

[Boris Skrbic]

My reaction to Data in the trailer was "Oh, cool! Data is in the show too!". It wasn't "OMG -- what awful CG work! EWWWWW!"

Maybe that's just me.

Edit: Obviously not just me (see previous post!)

How many times did you rewatch TNG episodes back in the 90s? Without comparing pictures, mine was that Data just looked wrong, especially for that uniform.

You're ignoring a third option: people who don't give a flying fuck about any of that.

Those would be the people who don’t reply. If you do care one way or the other, you’ll say something, either in favor of the best possible Star Trek or this idea that something is always better than nothing when it comes to Star Trek on television (because it’s just TV, it isn’t).

 

[WarpFactorZ]

How many times did you rewatch TNG episodes back in the 90s? Without comparing pictures, mine was that Data just looked wrong, especially for that uniform.

I watched every episode of TNG first run, from "Encounter at Farpoint" to "All Good Things", then through the summer in repeats. Data also looked quite different between those two bookends, not to mention his obviously aged appearance in "Nemesis". We can't fight the sands of time. What I saw in the trailer was an attempt to make a 70-year old actor look like a 40-year old one. If they fix the CG, great. If not, it's still Data -- blur your eyes if you must.

 

[Lord Garth]

I watched TNG every weeknight from 1991 to 1996. It was on everywhere at the time. I noticed some differences but, even as a teenager, I didn't make a big deal about it. Leaning more about television and film production and the process of it, warts and all, made me even more interested in how it's put together.

 

[Tuskin38]

Who said anything about the final show? The point is merely that one could’ve trimmed down Spiner’s appearance in the trailer, thus improving on that, too. Or, if there was a contractual requirement to show his face fully, maybe take the time to just finish the few seconds?



Well, no, the fun here is to show how some fans will come up with any excuse for Data to appear fully rather than say “Fine, yes, even a mere trailer could’ve been improved upon by hiding unfinished makeup. Are we done now?” I’m trying to think if there is some kind of an unwritten sense that he absolutely needed to appear at any cost, if maybe the dearth of recent Trek from that era means people aren’t seeing Star Trek in the context of comparable nostalgic recreations such as those on Star Wars, and are more tolerant of average matching even in something that really creates that first impression of PIC?

It's a trailer give it a goddamn rest.

Nothing in a trailer is final. Stop treating it like it's going to be.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

It's a trailer give it a goddamn rest.

Nothing in a trailer is final. Stop treating it like it's going to be.

But why not stop treating Data’s appearance like it’s a random CG explosion and not established makeup that comes with expectations and therefore creates an impression? You just don’t seem to want to answer that. This is going around in circles because the need for Data to appear seems to be a rock-solid principle, one which you just don’t want to question.

 

[DaveyNY]

But why not stop treating Data’s appearance like it’s a random CG explosion and not established makeup that comes with expectations and therefore creates an impression? You just don’t seem to want to answer that. This is going around in circles because the need for Data to appear seems to be a rock-solid principle, one which you just don’t want to question.

 

[Tuskin38]

But why not stop treating Data’s appearance like it’s a random CG explosion and not established makeup that comes with expectations and therefore creates an impression? You just don’t seem to want to answer that. This is going around in circles because the need for Data to appear seems to be a rock-solid principle, one which you just don’t want to question.

It's simple, I'm not going to nitpick unfinished work.

If he looks like that in the final version, then I will nitpick.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

But why not stop treating Data’s appearance like it’s a random CG explosion and not established makeup that comes with expectations and therefore creates an impression? You just don’t seem to want to answer that. This is going around in circles because the need for Data to appear seems to be a rock-solid principle, one which you just don’t want to question.

In the original teaser for S1E07 of TNG ("Lonely Among Us"), the scene where Picard paralyses the bridge crew with lightening bolts was missing the lightning bolts! So, all we saw was Picard facing them and everyone else pretending to be frozen... The bolts have since been added, but boy, was I steamed about that lack of professionalism back in 1987!

See 0:16 and on here, and imagine it without the blue bolts....

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[Lord Garth]

Next time on Staaaaaar Trek! Thenextgeneration.

 

[NCC-73515]

One of the FC trailers showed Voyager fighting a Borg cube! They threw out canon, Voyager should be in the delta quadrant! FC is not prime! How dare they! XD

 

[Boris Skrbic]

It's simple, I'm not going to nitpick unfinished work.

If he looks like that in the final version, then I will nitpick.

But a trailer is not about showing off unfinished work entirely; ideally it’s about excerpts from finished work, and if not then at least it shouldn’t be noticeable immediately, only in comparison with the final product and even then not in a blatant fashion. We’re not applying the nitpicker’s after-the-fact standards here, only those of a regular TNG viewer who can see something looks wrong for the state of the art in 2019.

The bolts have since been added, but boy, was I steamed about that lack of professionalism back in 1987!

A poor analogy since it was 1987, not 2019; the bolts weren’t ingrained into audience expectations; the trailer was for an episode, not a spinoff series.

One of the FC trailers showed Voyager fighting a Borg cube! They threw out canon, Voyager should be in the delta quadrant! FC is not prime! How dare they! XD

Same here: 1996 as opposed to 2019; entirely forgettable VFX; not a main character’s reappearance after so many years.

 

[NCC-73515]

Nobody pays to see a trailer, why would they allocate major parts of the budget to VFX for trailers?
The point of that scene in the trailer is to show Data appears. That's the only reason for trailer footage anyway.

 

[Lord Garth]

No one I know IRL who has seen the trailer has had a negative reaction to it. That's pretty damn amazing in this day and age. So I'd say it did its job.

 

[Tosk]

Nobody pays to see a trailer

I guess you've forgotten the great Siege Exodus of 1998. Some Star Wars fans were so mega-hyped for Episode I that they bought tickets to The Siege just to watch the trailer for Phantom Menace and then leave. Wild times.