Breen?

[Timo]

Then again, "phaser" and "disruptor" are used more or less interchangeably in Trek dialogue, but "helmet" and "helmetless" are not AFAIK...

Perhaps Picard believed that the Breen never engage in boarding action? But that, too, sounds counterfactual, as we in "Indiscretion" learn of the Breen capturing slaves by hijacking spacecraft.

We do know that the Klingons attempted to conquer the Breen in the past but failed when the fleet they sent disappeared. Apart from that we haven't heard of any major conflicts the Breen have been involved in.

The Breen were identified as the arch-enemies of Cardassia in the late DS9 episodes. And their conflict with the UFP dated back to piracy-type unrest before "Hero Worship".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Jono]

^ Where were the Breen said to be "arch-enemies" of Cardassia?

 

[Drago-Kazov]

Did the Breen had any other wars besides the war against the feds?

We do know that the Klingons attempted to conquer the Breen in the past but failed when the fleet they sent disappeared. Apart from that we haven't heard of any major conflicts the Breen have been involved in.

Do we know when did that happen?

 

[Oso Blanco]

Then again, "phaser" and "disruptor" are used more or less interchangeably in Trek dialogue

Phasers and Disruptors have never been used interchangeably ... in fact, the point has been made that only Klingons, Romulans and Breen are using disruptors.

 

[Jono]

^^ During the Klingon Second Empire. No specific dates were given in the episode.

Just had a look over at MA and they suggest the Second Empire would be from the 21st century onwards. This is based on Worf saying a Chancellor dispatched the fleet rather than in Emperor, so it would have been sent after the last emperor ruled. Of course that assumes the Empire never had Chancellors run things at certain stages before the last Emperor before Kahlee's clone was hatched.

 

[Drago-Kazov]

Of course that assumes the Empire never had Chancellors run things at certain stages before the last Emperor before Kahlee's clone was hatched. __________________

They were plenty of undergaed or weak kings on earth i don't see why this could not happen in the Klingon Empire. Or a dumb but martially skilled emperor could outsource lots of things to a Chancellor.

Where was this mentioned?

 

[Jono]

^ The Klingon attack on Breen was mentioned in "'Til Death Do Us Part" in season 7 of DS9.

The assumption when it happened I mentioned is from the Klingon history article on Memory Alpha.

 

[Drago-Kazov]

Thanks.

 

[Timo]

Where were the Breen said to be "arch-enemies" of Cardassia?

Okay, that was a bit of an exaggeration. The Breen raided Cardassian shipments in "Indiscretion" and apparently bordered on the Union as evidenced by the territorial concessions they received from Cardassia when siding with the Dominion. Since they're the only known powerful neighbors of the Union (unless we count the Klingon conquests after "Way of the Warrior"), arch-rivalry would seem to be the only plausible option.

Phasers and Disruptors have never been used interchangeably ... in fact, the point has been made that only Klingons, Romulans and Breen are using disruptors.

Cardassians are credited with disruptors as well - and in "Return to Grace", the Cardassian rifle is identified as a "disruptor" and as a "phase-disruptor", whereas Cardassian shipboard weaponry is dubbed "phasers" and the surface gun they take onboard is a "disruptor" even though other episodes assign "disruptor" identity to Cardassian shipboard beam weapons.

Just had a look over at MA and they suggest the Second Empire would be from the 21st century onwards. This is based on Worf saying a Chancellor dispatched the fleet rather than in Emperor, so it would have been sent after the last emperor ruled.

...But the very fact that Worf says this happened "during the Second Empire" suggests that the Second Empire is in the past and has been replaced by something else. Which negates the MA rationale; under the "current" system, a Chancellor would indeed be likely to dispatch a fleet in the name of the Emperor.

There is plenty of ambiguity on how long the Klingons have been starfaring. But their Second Empire could go a lot farther back than mere 21st century in general continuity terms. Indeed, there's some evidence Klingons sailed between stars back in the days of Kahless already (which is a rather fun image, as Kahless was also sorta credited with launching the Klingon iron age, forging the first sword and whatnot!).

Nothing wrong with placing the Second Empire at the 21st century as such. But if it's a period of time that only ended in the 2360s, if then, Worf really wouldn't use the expression here. It'd be like saying today "Back in the age of industrialization, Hitler sent his armies to conquer the world" or "During the space age, the President ordered segregation at US schools to be ended"...

Timo Saloniemi