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BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued

I am as yet unclear on (am listening to the Engage podcast w him again today or tomorrow) if a 15 minute piece is expanded to 30 with a two parter remains at the $50,000 crowdfunded ceiling.
As to my above quandary the following quote from the Engage podcast directly addresses it:

Interviewer: And then there's also 15 minutes and then there is the option to do a part 2 if you must do that. You have that option but that's part of the $50,000, correct?

Mr. van Citters: $50,000 is available for 15 minutes.

So, cool.
 
Of course, how easy it'll be fr anyone to raise that sort of money is another question entirely. The high budget films have often relied on the draw of star power to attract donors. To be clear, that isn't meant as a criticism, but it remains to be seen how much people can raise without that draw. Hopefully it means more productions based on solid story-telling and creativity above all else. Time will tell.
 
Of course, how easy it'll be fr anyone to raise that sort of money is another question entirely. The high budget films have often relied on the draw of star power to attract donors. To be clear, that isn't meant as a criticism, but it remains to be seen how much people can raise without that draw. Hopefully it means more productions based on solid story-telling and creativity above all else. Time will tell.
I think in order to raise money without the "star power" people will have to have something to show up front, a proof of concept, a trailer. That means it will probably have to be self-funded at first, like it was done in the olden days.

Ultimately I think it will mean that aspiring fan film makers will have to get out and press the flesh, sell their idea to potential donors, and build a network of support that doesn't rely on crowdfunding. Add to that the 15/30 limit, and the fan film genre will naturally be boiled down to its purest form.
 
So moving forward... will all official TOS uniforms worn in fan films have to wear the Enterprise delta now, or can fans still make their own ship badge?
 
At present, we do not intend to solicit any additional funds other than perhaps for uniforms and makeup. Sets are pretty much done. But this WILL give a leg up for new productions, and that makes me happy!
 
The biggest pile of BS I've seen popping up in podcasts and articles is about uniforms and props. The "must buy licensed" thing is a complete and total, probably intentional, misunderstanding of what the guidelines say.

It doesn't mean that you can't make your own stuff, it just means that if you're buying they don't want you to buy unlicensed.

Extending that, if you're selling unlicensed uniforms and props they'll probably shut you down.
 
I have the impression that you can certainly create your own. You just can't sell them or give them away as perks.
The gist of what Mr. van Citters said was if anyone wants to make their own anything -- yes, indeed, do it!! If a fan film production 'chooses' to purchase ready made items from a business selling them -- they request fan films producers honor the franchise and not purchase from unlicensed or bootleg operated sellers. Use licensed sellers, support 'them'. Support the franchise.

It is a request, like every one of the quidelines. This is not going to be monitored. This is not going to be tracked. This is not a law set down by them. Everyone...everyone... is free to make their own choices on this and every other part of the guidelines.

On the other hand... if for some reason fan films or a fan film catches their eye again by bumping them royally again, poking them with a big stick again.... and fan films in general or that particular film production has not shown good faith in respecting their requested guidelines.....it would be reasonable to think their good will in responding favorably will be diminished. Or, I would suspect, even lost.

(The following is an excerpt transcribed by me (with typos) from that part of the podcast. The bold, underline, ' ', are mine of course to highlight relevant stuff. ALTHOUGH, the bold around Mr. van Citters' statement 'They make their own!' indicates his own vocal emphasis.)
Q: What about costumes, props, weapons, and things of that nature that one of the guidelines state that if it is available through our licensees licensors then use that one.

Mr. van Citters: This is definitely an area of big misconception

Q: Avonos makes some incredible costumes but if somebody wants to make some of their own, what do they do?

Mr. van Citters: They make their own!

Avonos is a terrific example because this is a company that was started by a couple of fans who did not yet even have an operating business, who did not yet have a license from anybody else, who came to us with a presentation and a plan, and some samples of the quality of work that they felt they could do. And they have created a business out of that. We looked at it and we were like, Yes, let's try this. They came out of fan ranks and they have spent over the years being a licensee tens of thousands of dollars, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point on development for their products.

They make exceptionally good quality that looks screen accurate, that wears well, that is nicely tailored, and you've seen this stuff at conventions. It looks amazing. So out of support for Star Trek we would 'ask' people that if you are doing a fan film that you not purchase stuff from unlicensed bootleg operators who do not help support official Star Trek and create a climate where we can get more Star Trek. So, we're 'asking' that if we have stuff commercially available that you 'consider' using that on your projects. We do have great quality stuff available from vendors like Avonos, from QMX, etc. And we would like you to respect that and support their investment into Star Trek and dedication to Star Trek.

Many times their materials are gonna be a perfect fit and a great an accurate shortcut for you... but we're not looking to inhibit fan creativity, we're not looking to limit what you can do on your episode, like 'Well, they don't have an officially licensed Original Series silver lame environmental suit so whadda I do? I guess I have to cut that from my story.'

Nope. What you have to do then is get somebody that is really talented and can make one. And that's fine. We're not looking to inhibit that, we're not looking to get rid of the DIY ethic of Star Trek fans. We're 'hoping' that because you made a good one [costume, prop, whatever] you don't turn around and say "Hey, I'll go into business doing that".

When I was a ten, eleven year old kid and I'd see a Star Trek episode with a really cool thing in it then I'd be digging through everything in the house, and go 'Ah here's an old wrapping paper tube. If I take that and this coat hanger and cut out this piece of cardboard and spray paint it silver can I 'make' this thing that I saw on the episode?' And I get that. That's part of the fun of Star Trek that you were talking about the costuming that you see at these conventions. You have people showing up as the Crystalline Entity and that's amazing and that's wonderful and by all means, keep that part of Star Trek going. We're not trying to inhibit that.

If there is the 'opportunity' to use official merchandise we would 'ask' that the fans help support the franchise that they love so much.
 
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Excerpts transcribed (with typos & stuff) from that part of the podcast:

Q: What about costumes, props, weapons, and things of that nature that one of the guidelines state that if it is available through our licensees licensors then use that one.

Mr. van Citters: This is definitely an area of big misconception

Q: Novos(sp??) makes some incredible costumes but if somebody wants to make some of their own, what do they do?

Mr. van Citters: They make their own.

Novos is a terrific example because this is a company that was started by a couple of fans who did not yet even have an operating business, who did not yet have a license from anybody else, who came to us with a presentation and a plan, and some samples of the quality of work that they felt they could do.
Anovos.

Neil
 
Just wanted to mention that the creator of Star Trek Horizons is now doing a kickstarter for an original story. I'd link, but I am not sure what the rules are here for that sort of thing, but as good as Horizons was, this is well worth the money.
 
As with all the guidelines, it's a request backed by a big corporate law firm itching to bill some serious hours. ;)

You think so? I don't think this is fun for C/P at all in any way whatsoever. And though I agree with you about their lawyers, whom I think reap the only uncomplicated benefits out of this... for both them and the defendant's, even if she is pro bono.... and will step in again and again if C/P wants or perceives they need to. I just don't think they have ever wanted to, or even want to be doing this right now.

I don't get the impression they want to or have ever wanted to be the Fan Film Police. Or the IP Police. I truly think they prefer to just let us play, so to speak. At our best we entertain ourselves and they may get some very small return by letting us play with their stuff. I'm still not real sure that we are more a blessing than a curse.

And I honestly don't think we pay more than the interest on the bills due for making us movies & tv shows. I think the probably 90% of my friends and acquaintances who just like Star Trek and have (and will) watched all the series & movies 'in the theater', bought the movies, and buy the toys for their kids, and the T-shirts for themselves & ornaments for their christmas trees, costumes for Halloween.. among all the many other things they watch and like and buy... don't identify themselves as fans. And it is those people, that demographic, that I believe pays the bulk of tab for making our Star Trek movies & tv shows for us.

Nooo, I really don't think C/P will want be policing fan films -ever- and calling lawyers to deal with fandoms some more. Ours or one of their other properties'. LOL I would think fandoms give them headaches and maybe cause them to drink more. I know ours can do that to me.

The lawyers, on the other hand. LOL Well, that's how they make their own money. They're always up for another round!
 
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What I got out of the podcast: Ferrari's should be illegal because their existence is unfair to the average car owner.

If you buy a Ferrari, it's yours. The person in the next car has their own to drive around in. If you borrow someone elses Ferrari, you better do what the owner says or they'll set you on fire if you come back with so much as a scratch on it.

This analogy is all sorts of dreadful and a little bit ridiculous.

Doesn't matter how many comparisons, analogies or anything else someone makes. C/P own something. It's absolutely 100% their decision what happens here and it's completely justified that they be allowed to set up any rules, any guidelines, and have the final say in what happens with their property.

Yes, it's a shitty situation for guys like STC, but it's a bit ridiculous to twist words and create dodgy analogies when the owners of Star Trek have pretty much simply said "You can borrow our stuff but please don't take the piss"
 
If you buy a Ferrari, it's yours. The person in the next car has their own to drive around in. If you borrow someone elses Ferrari, you better do what the owner says or they'll set you on fire if you come back with so much as a scratch on it.

This analogy is all sorts of dreadful and a little bit ridiculous.

Doesn't matter how many comparisons, analogies or anything else someone makes. C/P own something. It's absolutely 100% their decision what happens here and it's completely justified that they be allowed to set up any rules, any guidelines, and have the final say in what happens with their property.

I didn't take the post you were complaining about to mean the person was pointing the analogy at CBS or saying they didn't have the right to do this or that.

I read the analogy as being pointed at the people in this forum who were going "hurray! this will shut down the 'big' productions and level the playing field for the little guys".
 
Just wanted to mention that the creator of Star Trek Horizons is now doing a kickstarter for an original story. I'd link, but I am not sure what the rules are here for that sort of thing, but as good as Horizons was, this is well worth the money.
Kind of weird that he has Star Trek Horizon patches, soundtrack, DVDs, and Blu-rays in the rewards...all things considered.
 
In response to the new fan film guidelines ‘Trek: Isolation’ is now called ‘Dark Isolation’

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https://www.facebook.com/darkisolation/
 
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