BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued

Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by Danlav05, Jun 23, 2016.

  1. rocketdave

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    Yeah, please explain how exactly the fan film community was supposed to prevent Alec from doing what he did. From what I understand, people were raising concerns about Axanar well before the lawsuit dropped and he just brushed them off.
     
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  2. Warped9

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    This came instantly to mind. Who was in a position to tell AP to cool it? And if someone had tried it I can easily see AP bragging about other productions being afraid of his competition.

    If CBS' C&D and even lawsuit couldn't get AP to cool it I don't see how any fanfilm producer could have done it.

    While I believe CBS/F has full right to exercise their defence and control of IP I still think they could have humiliated AP without cutting everyone else off at the knees who had been playing nice.


    The guidelines were always there, unspoken: don't make too much noise and don't profit. Those were far simpler guidelines than exist now. Any reasonable person--which includes the vast majority of fanfilm makers--could easily understand what lines not to cross.

    Eveidently AP thinks rules are for anyone else and he alone has the right to ignore whatever rules he wishes.
     
  3. Shaw

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    For want of a nail...
     
  4. Tribble puncher

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    I wonder how this will effect "Starbase Studio's" here in OKC.
     
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    Oh God, I only made it through 45 seconds of that. "Opinion" pieces masquerading as news irks me to no end "Don't care if it's MSNBC or FOX....I'm always not sure if frustrated more with the programs themselves or the people who treat it like it's a legitimate objective news source.
     
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  6. rocketdave

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    That completely fails to answer the question about how you think Axanar was supposed to have been stopped before all this happened. What, was someone supposed to nail Alec to a tree or something?
     
  7. Fer

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    Have we heard anything from Cawley about the new rules yet? I've been looking around but haven't found anything. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is wondering how NV is taking the news.
     
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  8. montalban

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    Not to mention, how to handle the task of producing a fan film.
     
  9. Amaris

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    Learning how to manage a budget would probably be a good idea as well.
     
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  10. batboy853

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    So another question, does this mean that sound effects can not be used or recreated? Nit picky but valid. Thinking of things like the red alert sounds or computer beeps or phasers / photons etc.
     
  11. Shaw

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    Why?

    The answer to that question is in the answer to the more important one... exactly how did Peters get into a position where he could cause all this?

    If you know that answer, there are any number of points where Peters' influence could have been effectively neutered to where he could never have made a malignant production of the level that would have triggered CBS/Paramount.

    But lets be honest... you aren't looking for an answer from me, any answer I give you'll fight. So what you really want is a fight, not answers. I'm not interested in a fight, so there really isn't anything left to say.
     
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  12. Amaris

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    I agree with you, @Shaw, though I kind of see it from both sides. The best plan I can think of would be to go to CBS in such a case, and let them know what's going on. Of course, speaking out in the open would be fine, too. I get that one doesn't really wish to attack other fan productions, but when one guy is wielding a proverbial gun and waving it around in every other production's face, everyone needs to speak up and tell them to knock it off. Now, it would be difficult with someone like Alec, who clearly has no concept of shame, but at the very least your public displeasure would be noted and seen by other fans. Another plus to that would be not having people working on other fan productions getting involved with the producer of the offending film. That won't stop them from continuing, but they won't be getting any support from the fan production community, and that goes a long way.

    Still, at the end of the day, regardless of whether or not anyone's words would have made a difference, Axanar fucked it up for everyone, and of course they're blaming everyone else. When that kind of delusion takes hold, getting through to them is nigh on impossible.
     
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  13. rocketdave

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    Wow, Shaw, you clearly know all about me and what I'm thinking. I'm not trying to get mixed up in any drama here, but I honestly don't see what other fan productions could have been expected to do to stop Axanar before it got out of hand and the fact that you refuse to back up your claim makes me think you don't know either.
     
  14. Indysolo

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    I would think the rule about clips from Star Trek not being used could also cover the music usage.

    Neil
     
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  15. Sgt_G

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    You know, Rocket-Dave does bring up a valid point. Nobody could have stopped Alec Peters. Christian Gossett tried, and he was a friend on the inside of the project. If Peters wouldn't listen to him, how can you have expected him to listen to anyone on the outside?

    Alec Peters made the decision to play chicken with a train and didn't know when to step off the tracks.
     
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    The real sadness of all this is that you could see the seeds of destruction many, many moons ago in AP's interactions online both here (as @Karzak has often pointed out) and elsewhere.
     
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    Star Trek novelist Peter David chimes in on the guidelines. Basically, we're damn lucky.

     
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  18. Timewalker

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    All of them, actually. And I notice that "obscenity" and "illegal activity" are really vague terms that could be twisted however they choose.

    For example, one of the fan films has same-sex marriage as part of the plot. Some people consider that obscene (yes, I know it's legal in the US now, but that hasn't changed some peoples' opinions).

    Hmm. I don't remember... is tranya an alcoholic drink? The reason I mention this is because the actor who played Balok in "The Corbomite Maneuver" was only about 6 or 7 years old. No, Balok didn't get drunk, but it was still a child actor playing a character drinking a beverage presumably meant for adults.

    Night of the Doctor was a lot longer than 6.48 seconds.

    They could shut down fanfic sites if they really wanted to. As mentioned, they could even raid the dealers' room at a convention. Or they could prohibit people from selling print 'zines on eBay.

    But they can't prevent people from writing stories or poems, drawing pictures, and showing them to friends, any more than Marion Zimmer Bradley's estate could swoop in and confiscate any Darkover material sitting in my desk drawer (the order came down that if anyone has such material at home, we were to either destroy it immediately, or rewrite it so that it couldn't possibly be identified as a Darkover story).

    If I were to write a Star Trek story for next month's NaNoWriMo entry, there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop me... because NaNo entries are not posted on that site, nor are they even read by anyone who runs the site. Some people post excerpts of their stories, but that's not something I ever do.

    As Peter David said, lawyers could raid a convention dealers' room. But due to sheer impossible logistics, they can't raid the private collections of fans on (at least) three continents, or police what people write for their own amusement and never post anywhere.

    That said, most fanfic writers understand that they have to post disclaimers saying that they don't own Star Trek, its characters, and have no intention of trying to profit from what they've written. Reputable fanfic archive sites are quite stern in that regard.
     
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  19. Tosk

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    Re: PAD. Blah blah blah...yes, it's CBS/P's call as to what can be allowed, and we should all kiss their feet that they allow anything at all. What they decree to be okay changes over the years. In the '70s they confiscated fanzines, in the '90s they shut down fansites. Doesn't mean we can't lament a little over the valley we're sliding into right now.

    ...This too shall pass.
     
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  20. Maurice

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    He typed 6 : 48 and it's obvious he meant 6 minutes 48 seconds.