BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued
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Didn't Burnett do some work on some featurettes for the TNG sets, or am I mistaken?
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Burnett has done work for Paramount/CBS on Star Trek, yes. This makes him ineligible to work on Axanar. If he does, he will find himself out of work with Paramount/CBS.
I don't know why, but I always assumed Yorktown was a lot longer then 20 minutes... hrm.
I was discussing this with a friend about Star Trek Continues and New Voyages and their wonderful sets and he pointed out something I never even thought of...
" I don't see how they're going to be able to even KEEP those sets. Carrying costs for stage rental, electricity, etc. are tens of thousands of dollars per year. The new rules say that a production cannot spend more than $50,000. Those lovely standing sets may not be standing too much longer"
I also pointed out to him what a great performance Gigi Edgly put in on the last STC episode, and he pointed out...
"One of the new rules explicitly bars her from performing in any fan film. Anyone who has ever been on screen or crew talent for a Star Trek production is now explicitly forbidden from participating in a fan film.
In fact, Vic Mignona and several of the other folks on Continues do voice work at Star Trek Online. So now THEY are barred as well"
ARGGGHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" I don't see how they're going to be able to even KEEP those sets. Carrying costs for stage rental, electricity, etc. are tens of thousands of dollars per year. The new rules say that a production cannot spend more than $50,000. Those lovely standing sets may not be standing too much longer"
I also pointed out to him what a great performance Gigi Edgly put in on the last STC episode, and he pointed out...
"One of the new rules explicitly bars her from performing in any fan film. Anyone who has ever been on screen or crew talent for a Star Trek production is now explicitly forbidden from participating in a fan film.
In fact, Vic Mignona and several of the other folks on Continues do voice work at Star Trek Online. So now THEY are barred as well"
ARGGGHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Were they perhaps referring to him specifically with this:
"The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees."
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Yeah, that nails RMB on the spot.
With FX it was going to be about 24 minutes. We have to reevaluate and shorten a few of our FX scenes. Either that or we break it up into two videos which is really something I would rather not do. Time will tell.
Actually, yes they would. IF a member of the production makes something (a costume/prop/etc.) completely from scratch, they're fine. IF you buy something (a uniform, Phaser, etc.) from someone/on-line/at a convention - to use it your production; what you buy MUST be a Star Trek item commercially licensed by CBS or Paramount.
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That is in effect what #4 is saying. now you COULD bring the maker of a prop into your production staff - but he couldn't charge you for the prop; and later if he's selling the prop (or copies) anywhere during or after the production is finished - your group could still be 'on the hook'. basically it's:
'Make your own JUST for the production - (and don't sell it before/during/after). If you buy ANYTHING your group didn't fabricate themselves for use in your production ; it HAS TO BE A LICENSED STAR TREK PRODUCT - officially licensed by CBS and/or Paramount.''
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I think that's already happened. I noticed that for the new TWOK documentary on the Director's Edition Bluray set, they used the other half of the team that did the docs for the TNG remastered sets. In other words, they dropped Burnett and just used Rob Lay, Jr.
Of course, Burnett might've not been available. I'm just speculating here and have no proof.
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Yep. The whole idea is that if anyone is making money from this, even tangentially, it's going to be the IP holder, and not unlicensed third parties. It's quite sensible, really.
Well... fundraising must stop at $50,000. I don't think that rules out the key players paying for stuff out of their own pockets.
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Well... fundraising must stop at $50,000. I don't think that rules out the key players paying for stuff out of their own pockets.
Plus, STC got a private donation after the close of the Indiegogo campaign that fulfilled the amount they were unable to raise. So, all their money for episodes 8-13 is in-house already for them to use.
This, of course, raises the question of how they can proceed from here. Ep. 7 is practically in the can--can they now even release it in its planned form? And what of the remaining episodes they have planned?
For argument's sake lets say they could manage their remaining stories as 30 minute episodes. If each story is self-contained and unrelated to the others and none of them are sequels to previous official Trek productions could they be allowed to continue?
Under these rules would they even be able to have made episodes like "Pilgrim Of Eternity" and "Fairest Of Them All" given they were direct followups or sequels to official productions?
After reading replies on facebook and other Star Trek places around the internet I have come to a conclusion. For a fanbase that likes to crow on and on about how they like smart science fiction, and how Star Trek is the show for the educated man (and woman), JESUS CHRIST does this fanbase act like a bunch of fucking children when they don't get their way. It's unbelievable. So many of the people mentioning that they won't see Beyond, and that they aren't going to watch the new CBS show because of this, sound like five year olds.
GUESS WHAT. IT'S THEIR DAMN PROPERTY. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. They could sue everyone into fucking oblivion if they wanted to. They turned a blind eye for years, and now they had to come down hard, because not only did someone kill the golden goose, they took the bird and vaporized it. Paramount has to do this. CBS has to do this. It may be draconian, it may seem harsh, and perhaps they will revisit the rules at some point with certain productions.
This reminds me of the scene in NuBSG when Cain reassigns Starbuck and Apollo to the Pegasus. They go into Adama's office and are protesting it and Adama tells them that they have been letting the rules slide for too long, and they are officers. Play time is over. Well guess what, thanks to Alec Peters and company, play time is over. They wanted to be taken seriously. They wanted to get called up to the big leagues. They were, and got their asses sued off over it. And they deserve it. Its unfortunate that other productions were dragged into it, but thats the risk you take when you play in someone else's sandbox. There are many talented people involved in those productions, I'm sure they could create quality original material if they wanted to.
GUESS WHAT. IT'S THEIR DAMN PROPERTY. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. They could sue everyone into fucking oblivion if they wanted to. They turned a blind eye for years, and now they had to come down hard, because not only did someone kill the golden goose, they took the bird and vaporized it. Paramount has to do this. CBS has to do this. It may be draconian, it may seem harsh, and perhaps they will revisit the rules at some point with certain productions.
This reminds me of the scene in NuBSG when Cain reassigns Starbuck and Apollo to the Pegasus. They go into Adama's office and are protesting it and Adama tells them that they have been letting the rules slide for too long, and they are officers. Play time is over. Well guess what, thanks to Alec Peters and company, play time is over. They wanted to be taken seriously. They wanted to get called up to the big leagues. They were, and got their asses sued off over it. And they deserve it. Its unfortunate that other productions were dragged into it, but thats the risk you take when you play in someone else's sandbox. There are many talented people involved in those productions, I'm sure they could create quality original material if they wanted to.
Well, @Tom Servo , thanks for giving us all the dressing down that... hmm, looking back, it would seem that almost NONE of us needed, since we've mostly been saying the same things you just did.
Nice screenname, though. I love MST3K.
Nice screenname, though. I love MST3K.
Well, @Tom Servo , thanks for giving us all the dressing down that... hmm, looking back, it would seem that almost NONE of us needed, since we've mostly been saying the same things you just did.
Nice screenname, though. I love MST3K.
To be honest, it wasn't meant really for anyone here. I would say this place has been one of the more levelheaded when it comes to this. I should have put that in the post. I apologize.
